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Old 06-28-2009, 11:53 AM
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I'm about to begin training a CFI and CFII applicant as a freelance instructor to supplement my low paying cargo job. This is the first CFI/CFII candidate I have taught and was wondering if anyone knew where I can find good Lesson plans. I have not had any luck searching online for them. I know its not common to instruct a CFI applicant outside of a flight school so any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 06-28-2009, 06:06 PM
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Below are the links to the syllabi we use for CFI & CFII. They get a little repetitive, but should help as a guide.

http://www.aviation.ou.edu/syllabi/C...FISyllabus.pdf

http://www.aviation.ou.edu/syllabi/C...IISyllabus.pdf
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Old 06-28-2009, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingPirate View Post
This is the first CFI/CFII candidate I have taught and was wondering if anyone knew where I can find good Lesson plans.
Uh, sorry for being so forward....but isn't it the CFI applicant's job to provide the lesson plans?


Also, I do feel like somewhat of a jerk mentioning this so take it with a grain of salt because I do not know your exact situation: should you really be teaching someone to be a CFI if you don't feel comfortable doing something CFI's do, like creating lesson plans? Do you really feel like you'll be able to guide them towards becoming the quality product that you as a CFI are responsible for producing?
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Uh, sorry for being so forward....but isn't it the CFI applicant's job to provide the lesson plans?


Also, I do feel like somewhat of a jerk mentioning this so take it with a grain of salt because I do not know your exact situation: should you really be teaching someone to be a CFI if you don't feel comfortable doing something CFI's do, like creating lesson plans? Do you really feel like you'll be able to guide them towards becoming the quality product that you as a CFI are responsible for producing?
First off, I am not looking for lesson plans to teach a Private, Instrument, or Commercial applicant, I have these already and have already told my CFI candidate to create his own for his use.

That being said, I am simply looking for a guide to teach a flight instructor, since I don't have any experience and would like some guidance. If I am trying to produce the highest quality instructor then I believe getting some examples in something as simple as lesson plans is a great place to start. And there are no regulations that require you to make your own lesson plans. If you think you can come up with lesson plans for a CFI applicant all by yourself, then kudos to you.

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Originally Posted by SoonerPilot5420 View Post
Below are the links to the syllabi we use for CFI & CFII. They get a little repetitive, but should help as a guide.

http://www.aviation.ou.edu/syllabi/C...FISyllabus.pdf

http://www.aviation.ou.edu/syllabi/C...IISyllabus.pdf
Thanks SoonerPilot5420!

At least someone understands where I'm coming from
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Good for you, go get 'em!
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no offends to you there,
i would completely agree with 250 or point 65, its definitely a CFI's job to make lesson plans. Everyone has there own way of teaching. and using someone elses lesson plan is not going to help you at all, once you start making your own lesson plans you are not only making them also relearning many things you have forgotten.

I am a CFI, and took me about 2 weeks to do my CFII lesson plans and another 2 weeks for CFIA, but again you do what ever you want to make your self happy, but not going to learn anything from someone elses lessons.
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I had a nice long answer all typed out, but the computer decided to eat it.

I'm working on a set of plans for teaching a CFI Applicants. Don't anyone hold your breath for these as the ETA is 2-3 successful CFI Applicants first.

Briefly, for teaching CFI Applicants, we started with the Table of Contents for the FOI. There is a lot of good stuff in there that the Jepp & others seem to really gloss over, skip, or outright ignore. For instance, we spend time discussing the affective component of learning and why a student that is beating themselves up tends to make more and more mistakes.

Next, we get into the individual topics (PTS Tasks & Special Emphasis Items), where we discuss a particular item from the commercial or private PTS (and make sure they're updated!), have the CFI Applicant create their lesson plan however they are going to do so (bought, created, whatever works for them), and then the CFI presents that topic. The audience gradually moves from guiding to displaying the common errors. In-flight, as the CFI Applicant becomes more comfortable conducting maneuvers from the right seat, explaining those maneuvers while doing them, then eventually teaching those maneuvers and correcting the "student" mistakes as the CFI teaching the CFI Applicant demonstrates the various common errors. We spend extra time on areas where CFIs get themselves into trouble (slow flight, stalls, pattern-work) and treat every lesson as a scenario, though at first only a few minutes are spent on that scenario.

There is really only one way to become competent at teaching CFI Applicants, and that is to teach CFI Applicants, preferably with an experienced CFI and/or DPE that can serve as a mentor while doing so. No one has been born knowing how to produce competent, safe, and effective CFIs, thus it is a skill that must be learned.
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Originally Posted by MoonFallsDown View Post
no offends to you there,
i would completely agree with 250 or point 65, its definitely a CFI's job to make lesson plans. Everyone has there own way of teaching. and using someone elses lesson plan is not going to help you at all, once you start making your own lesson plans you are not only making them also relearning many things you have forgotten.

I am a CFI, and took me about 2 weeks to do my CFII lesson plans and another 2 weeks for CFIA, but again you do what ever you want to make your self happy, but not going to learn anything from someone elses lessons.
I'm not sure you two understand what I am asking. I am a CFI, CFII, and MEI. When I was in training I made my own lesson plans I have a 3" binder completely full of less plans for private and commercial students as well as a 1" binder for instrument.

What I am asking is if anyone has lesson plans to teach a potential CFI. This is my first CFI student and I just want some guidance, I completely agree that it is important to develop your own teaching style and lesson plans, but you have to start somewhere.

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I had a nice long answer all typed out, but the computer decided to eat it.

I'm working on a set of plans for teaching a CFI Applicants. Don't anyone hold your breath for these as the ETA is 2-3 successful CFI Applicants first.

Briefly, for teaching CFI Applicants, we started with the Table of Contents for the FOI. There is a lot of good stuff in there that the Jepp & others seem to really gloss over, skip, or outright ignore. For instance, we spend time discussing the affective component of learning and why a student that is beating themselves up tends to make more and more mistakes.

Next, we get into the individual topics (PTS Tasks & Special Emphasis Items), where we discuss a particular item from the commercial or private PTS (and make sure they're updated!), have the CFI Applicant create their lesson plan however they are going to do so (bought, created, whatever works for them), and then the CFI presents that topic. The audience gradually moves from guiding to displaying the common errors. In-flight, as the CFI Applicant becomes more comfortable conducting maneuvers from the right seat, explaining those maneuvers while doing them, then eventually teaching those maneuvers and correcting the "student" mistakes as the CFI teaching the CFI Applicant demonstrates the various common errors. We spend extra time on areas where CFIs get themselves into trouble (slow flight, stalls, pattern-work) and treat every lesson as a scenario, though at first only a few minutes are spent on that scenario.

There is really only one way to become competent at teaching CFI Applicants, and that is to teach CFI Applicants, preferably with an experienced CFI and/or DPE that can serve as a mentor while doing so. No one has been born knowing how to produce competent, safe, and effective CFIs, thus it is a skill that must be learned.
I really appreciate your time a detail to your responses. I may be coming to you with more help and questions, if thats ok.

Thanks again!

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