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Old 07-16-2006, 11:11 AM
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I don't know the exact amount. What I do know is that they do your instrument rating in a multi. That certainly increases your multi time. Also, what you must remember is because instrument students are in multi airplanes, you will also build more multi time as an MEI (much more). At DCA, you need to be a VERY senior instructor to get MEI time.

Another GREAT thing I loved about flight safety was how they were encouraging their students to instruct. If you stay with Flight Safety until you have instructed for 800hrs (until around 1000TT, where you can start interviewing at regionals), Flight Safety will reimburse you for the cost of your CFII and MEI (thousands and thousands of dollars). That is a nice perk.

If money is no object, then Flight Safety is truly a good and reputable school. However, you are essentially paying $20 more an hour for the SAME airplanes and the SAME instructors you get down the street. Then you get paid $20 an hour less as a CFI for doing the SAME instruction you would down the street. Multiply by 200+hrs (flight time), 300+ hrs (with instructor), and 700+ hrs (as CFI), you are talking about $25,000 more for the same training. But then again, it is your money. Let your conscience be your guide.
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:27 AM
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Thanks for the reply. Because I couldn't find it on their site, can you give me an estimate of what their costs are? What hours will I be able to earn exactly? (How many multi, etc)
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Old 07-16-2006, 10:17 PM
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That stuff I don't know. Ask Flight Safety. You will likely get the same # of hours at DCA or Flight Safety (b/c they are both part 141 schools). However, at FS, you will get more multi time.
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Old 07-16-2006, 11:24 PM
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Chase 87 I don't understand what the hell you're talking about. Do you want us to tell you what you want to hear? Is that it? DCA is the worst out there, I talked to people who went there and I've also talked to thier "councelors" who are really sales people. It's all a big scam, they don't care about the students, they just want the money. Instead of describing DCA, the first thing this DCA rep told me on the phone was how are you planning on paying DCA. They use Delta as a reason for their success, DCA is as valuable to Delta as the toilet paper they use to wipe their ass. And in fact, the fact that they are owned by Delta doesn't mean anything at all for the student other than they get to visit the Delta sim once when the planets align. They don't give the estimates because they wan't to get your info first. I'll tell you. It's going to cost you 90k for private to CFI.

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Old 07-17-2006, 12:43 AM
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Chase 87 I don't understand what the hell you're talking about. Do you want us to tell you what you want to hear? Is that it? DCA is the worst out there, I talked to people who went there and I've also talked to thier "councelors" who are really sales people. It's all a big scam, they don't care about the students, they just want the money. Instead of describing DCA, the first thing this DCA rep told me on the phone was how are you planning on paying DCA. They use Delta as a reason for their success, DCA is as valuable to Delta as the toilet paper they use to wipe their ass. And in fact, the fact that they are owned by Delta doesn't mean anything at all for the student other than they get to visit the Delta sim once when the planets align. They don't give the estimates because they wan't to get your info first. I'll tell you. It's going to cost you 90k for private to CFI.
AirWillie, well.... not much I can say to be honest. You jumped the gun very quickly here. Yes, I was very much pulled in by what was said by DCA. None the less, I still took my time to look around and search (Which is actually why my last two posts were regarding FSA) - I personally didn't find any of what you said helpful, and I don't see how anyone else would either. I think you should look into trying a new method of constructive criticism when pursuading someone to change their mind about something. Regardless, thank you for the very limited information.

If anyone else can give me a few details about FSA, that would be great! I've heard about their reputation; however, I found it difficult to hunt down any costs or hours regarding, multi, etc. Also, one other question, is it realistically possible to get hired on with an airline without having a degree? (Regional). Thanks guys!
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Old 07-17-2006, 07:45 AM
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No degree for regionals. . .but don't expect to get to a major without one.
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:41 AM
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"Yes, I was very much pulled in by what was said by DCA"

I've never been to DCA, nor have I ever met anyone in real life who went there. I can comment on their marketing, though, since I've followed it over the years. It's gone from really bad to just bad, which is an improvement. I've said it all before at different forums, over the years, and I don't feel like saying it all again. The marketing is BS to get you to call. You then speak to a recruiter who will tell you what you want to hear. Then, you'll go down there (and should) and be given a slick tour. Go do it, just be sure to talk to as many folks as you can "off the record" and assume the worst case scenario in everything...then you won't be surprised if it happens.

"I think you should look into trying a new method of constructive criticism when pursuading someone to change their mind about something"

I'm not trying to change your mind. I could care less if you go to DCA. This isn't high school debate club, it's an internet message board. People post what they think and you can take it or leave it. You seem to only want to place value on the opinion of those who have graduated from the school and discount the rest. From what I've seen in the past, you're not going to find a lot of folks who have gone to DCA posting about it. Over at jetcareers.com, we used to have a pretty active DCA forum, and a few active DCA supporters. You might want to check it out.

"is it realistically possible to get hired on with an airline without having a degree? (Regional). Thanks guys!"

Yes.
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"Yes, I was very much pulled in by what was said by DCA"

I've never been to DCA, nor have I ever met anyone in real life who went there. I can comment on their marketing, though, since I've followed it over the years. It's gone from really bad to just bad, which is an improvement. I've said it all before at different forums, over the years, and I don't feel like saying it all again. The marketing is BS to get you to call. You then speak to a recruiter who will tell you what you want to hear. Then, you'll go down there (and should) and be given a slick tour. Go do it, just be sure to talk to as many folks as you can "off the record" and assume the worst case scenario in everything...then you won't be surprised if it happens.

"I think you should look into trying a new method of constructive criticism when pursuading someone to change their mind about something"

I'm not trying to change your mind. I could care less if you go to DCA. This isn't high school debate club, it's an internet message board. People post what they think and you can take it or leave it. You seem to only want to place value on the opinion of those who have graduated from the school and discount the rest. From what I've seen in the past, you're not going to find a lot of folks who have gone to DCA posting about it. Over at jetcareers.com, we used to have a pretty active DCA forum, and a few active DCA supporters. You might want to check it out.

"is it realistically possible to get hired on with an airline without having a degree? (Regional). Thanks guys!"

Yes.
Ya Know, the dude (DE727UPS) is a B757-767 Captain he may just happen to know what he is talking about. I doubt anyone else commenting here has ascended to such a position. I happen to listen to what he has to say, he is where I want to be somnetime, and who better to get advice from?

Just some food for thought, before you gloss over his comments.
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AirWillie, well.... not much I can say to be honest. You jumped the gun very quickly here. Yes, I was very much pulled in by what was said by DCA. None the less, I still took my time to look around and search (Which is actually why my last two posts were regarding FSA) - I personally didn't find any of what you said helpful, and I don't see how anyone else would either. I think you should look into trying a new method of constructive criticism when pursuading someone to change their mind about something. Regardless, thank you for the very limited information.
Well if you look at your original post it's all a bunch of BS, it just basically says: "I know that you guys say DCA is not worth it but can somebody reassure me that it's a good place to go because I've made up my mind" People are telling you go elsewhere but you still don't want to hear it.

I have a feeling that you have not looked at other schools yet, and because DCA was the first to get you into their trap, they brainwashed you with their promises and you feel that other schools won't be as good. You have to look around and you will discover that DCA is just another ****ty school with nothing to offer. Go to your local FBO and do the training cheap, I have a little secret for you wich academies will not tell you, regionals hire anybody who has the time and a pulse. It doesn't matter if you went to a 100 thousand dollar academy or you mom and pop flight school. How do you plan on paying for these academies?

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Old 07-17-2006, 01:30 PM
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Air Willie has a good point and to even elaborate on that to a larger extreme. A regional will hire you if you meet the mins and pass their interview not even just the mom and pop school but if your family owns a J-3 Cub and your father is a CFI it doesnt matter if it was all free and out of a mowed strip in your backyard and then if you build every hour flying around in that Cub just so long as the hours, ratings, experience and 100ME are there you are good.

I see you say money is no object and that is awesome, but why give it away? I have put quite a large sum into the bank and mutual funds in the past years but that certainly does not mean that i will pay $200+ for multi engine time. I would find a balance of exactly what you are looking for, for a rate that you feel is acceptable for the product you are getting in return.
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