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the King 04-16-2010 10:06 AM

On the main page (the second one in NAV) if you push the right iknob it will display a cursor. If you forget, the knob says PUSH/CRSR. You control the cursor with the same knob (big part for right/left, small part for up/down). Once you've moved the cursor into an area of airspace (like a shelf of a Bravo, MOA, etc) you can push ENTER and it will display stats for the airspace including altitudes and what kind of airspace it is as well as the name.

You can do the same thing to ID airports, navaids and the like. I often scan ahead of my route and if I see something I'm unfamiliar with or need to know if I'll be in or under a Bravo, I'll highlight it and check. Takes just a few seconds. And when you get done, you just push the knob and it will re-center the map on your aircraft.

USMCFLYR 04-16-2010 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by the King (Post 797064)
On the main page (the second one in NAV) if you push the right iknob it will display a cursor. If you forget, the knob says PUSH/CRSR. You control the cursor with the same knob (big part for right/left, small part for up/down). Once you've moved the cursor into an area of airspace (like a shelf of a Bravo, MOA, etc) you can push ENTER and it will display stats for the airspace including altitudes and what kind of airspace it is as well as the name.

You can do the same thing to ID airports, navaids and the like. I often scan ahead of my route and if I see something I'm unfamiliar with or need to know if I'll be in or under a Bravo, I'll highlight it and check. Takes just a few seconds. And when you get done, you just push the knob and it will re-center the map on your aircraft.

The King -

Was this is response to my question?
If so....you misunderstood my question.

An example of my question would be - flying along the east coast - you'll see airspace out over the water called the W-72. I do know what you speak of - that I could activate the cursor and scroll it over the area and it would highlight it and tell me that it was the W-72.

But my question would be if I was assigned a certain area within the W-72 - how best to outline that particular area defined by Lat/Long?

Additional note. After all that study of the 430/530 I find out that they are getting rid of the aircraft with the 530 and the others have a 496 - which I've never looked at.
AH! Study early - Study twice as they say :D:eek:

USMCFLYR

ryan1234 04-16-2010 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 797335)

Additional note. After all that study of the 430/530 I find out that they are getting rid of the aircraft with the 530 and the others have a 496 - which I've never looked at.
AH! Study early - Study twice as they say :D:eek:

USMCFLYR

getcha one of those Garmin 696's .... Those things are pretty freakin' cool.... fits like a kneeboard

USMCFLYR 04-17-2010 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by ryan1234 (Post 797339)
getcha one of those Garmin 696's .... Those things are pretty freakin' cool.... fits like a kneeboard

The Beechcraft I have flown in a few times out of KSEE has one of those in it (I'm pretty sure it is a 696). I'm amazed at having an airport diagram available for taxi with your airplane tracking right down the screen :) Of course just like this thread discusses - I found myself looking more at the screen than outside the cockpit :(
Unfortunately - I am in Pt Mugu today just taking a look at the facilities and aircraft and I can say with *certainty* that a 696 would NOT fit in that cockpit! Hummmm....did it get smaller over the years or have I grown??? (No need to answer :o)

USMCFLYR

the King 04-17-2010 11:07 AM

USMCFLYR, yes, I did mistake your question. Not exactly sure how you would accomplish your goal. I might have to do some research.

USMCFLYR 04-17-2010 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by the King (Post 797554)
USMCFLYR, yes, I did mistake your question. Not exactly sure how you would accomplish your goal. I might have to do some research.

Roger. If you feel like playing around with the idea then I'd be all ears to hear a solution.

So far the only solution I came up with was using the USer Waypoint feature to input the Lat/Long in as separate legs of a flight plan and then the Map display would show the first leg as Magenta and the other legs as White, but it would build a box to be displayed on the Map page.

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That seems very time consuming though and I won't have a lot of time.
It will be better if the points are already define by the airspace on the Map page because then I could use the cursor to drop a waypoint and then link them together. Just playing with ideas on how to use this which may be all academic now that the plane has the 496 in it rather than the 430 like I thought. :(

USMCFLYR

johnso29 04-18-2010 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 796018)
You know what I miss most from my 121 regional airline days?

Turning all the damn automation off and hand-flying the River Visual 19 @ DCA.

Sometimes, a guy/gal just needs to be a pilot...period.

That was my last approach flying the DC9 before coming back to the A320.:)

Of course the 9-osaur doesn't have any automation, so I didn't have to click it off. I loved flying that airplane. It is one of the last true stick and rudder airliners. A 2 axis autopilot with no auto level off, no autothrust, no VNAV, no RNAV, no autobrakes, no FADECs, and the only glass on it was the glass covering the steam guages. :p

It was extremely valuable for me to be able to fly the DC9. Helped keep my skills tuned, as their really isn't any automation to rely on.


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