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surreal1221 07-22-2006 07:39 PM

Spins
 
Alright CFIs. . .

Spinning an aircraft, how did you get over the apprehension (if you had any?) during your CFI training?

navyman_tx 07-22-2006 07:57 PM

Close your eyes and pray. If you don't get out of it that way, well, maybe the guy your riding with will for you!!!

surreal1221 07-22-2006 08:24 PM

I see. . .close my eyes, pray, let go of the controls, and throw the throttle in eh?

CL65driver 07-22-2006 09:19 PM

Just trust your CFI. The first second or so is scary, but after it all stabilizes into a full spin you settle down a bit and work on getting out. They're actually really fun! You'll like doing them, I promise!!!

surreal1221 07-22-2006 09:28 PM

haha. . . I doubt I'll like them. :)

I'll like them long enough to get the hell out of it. :)

Ottopilot 07-22-2006 10:26 PM

Get over it? I couldn't stop doing them.

surreal1221 07-22-2006 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Get over it? I couldn't stop doing them.

Oh yeah, I'll get over them :)

Who knows, they may be a blast, but the apprehension until I actually do one is going to drive me nuts.

CL65driver 07-22-2006 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot
Get over it? I couldn't stop doing them.

Hmm... you either really liked them, or couldn't recover!! :D hehe... just joking!

Surreal, they're actually ALOT of fun!! After I completed 2 years as a CFI, I couldn't wait to get some CFI students- just to do the spins!!! I've intentionally spun a 172, a Citabria and a Pitts.... and it just keeps getting more and more fun.

If you're curious as to what it looks like from the pilot's perspective... check out the spin video on this page http://www.bruceair.com/Stall-Spin.htm
11.5 megs, be patient.

Not as bad as you thought, huh? :D

animals 07-22-2006 10:46 PM

apprehension - spins
 
me too, but I'm pretty excited about it... :D

FlyerJosh 07-23-2006 05:36 AM

It's important to realize that spins really aren't that dangerous when you know exactly what's going on. Depending on the type of aircraft you do them in, they can be very predictable.

I can't say that I would want to do them everyday, but they are fun once you understand everything that's going on. (Although I must say that I enjoy a loop or snap roll even more than a spin)

I've spun in a Diamon Katana, Cessna 152, Super Decathalon, Piper Pacer, and Piper Warrior (the latter was unintentional due to student error during a CFI cross control stall demo).

Each airplane has it's own characteristics. The Katana was a good spin training aircraft because it had a rather pronounced entry, and a nice spin rate (about 1/2 turn per second). It also had a bit of a lag when you recovered, so it was more like a typical general aviation aircraft than some of the other spin trainers I have flown.

The Super Decathalon was very predictable (being an aerobatic aircraft). It would recover in exactly 3/4 of a turn, so you could actually teach students to recover on a specific heading.

The most important thing to lessen your apprehension is to brief the flight thoroughly before you go flying. Have your nstructor explain EVERYTHING that you will see in each phase of the spin, and accurately depict it with a model.

I can understand how spins can be a bit overwhelming or cause apprehension.. from day one, you are taught DON'T SPIN!!! They kill! But the truth is, we drive that home to our students because it's an affective way to keep their attention up in the pattern.

Spins are actually a good thing for every pilot to train (not just CFI's) and I encourage you to encourage your students to do so when you become a CFI.

Grim Reaper 07-23-2006 06:24 AM

Spins
 
Spins are a little scary at first but after doing a dozen or so they aren't so bad. I'd rather do spins than go to the dentist. ;)

Golden Flyer 07-23-2006 06:46 AM

I've always been afraid to do spins. lol. I think about it alot as well. It seems worse than a roller coaster. When we do quick pull-ups on low-and-overs I tighten my stomach immediately. Imagine spins....

mike734 07-23-2006 08:12 AM

Some fear is healthy and will keep you alive. Spin training is a confidence builder. You should do enough to be very comfortable with them. Also do a day or two of aerobatics. It is fun stuff and will make you a better pilot. At least, you should understand the rudder by then.

preludespeeder 07-23-2006 08:20 AM

I have to agree with all on here about how doing spins can be overwhelming the first time you do them, but once you get over the first one, the rest are alot of fun. I am currently in my CFI training and I did my spins in a great lakes biplane. Alot of fun is all I have to say. The 8-point roll and hammerhead that I got to do was the best part.

LeoSV 07-25-2006 06:06 PM

i'm in training and am really nervous about my first spin too. I never thought about it until one of my power on stalls was a little uncoordinated and we began a spin, but didn't get into a full spin. all I remember is how much faster the airplane lost altitude instead of a normal stall, and I have been nervous since then. i'm sure once I witness first hand the ease of recovering, I will get over it.

rickair7777 07-26-2006 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by Grim Reaper
Spins are a little scary at first but after doing a dozen or so they aren't so bad. I'd rather do spins than go to the dentist. ;)


Did you actually fly the tomcat? Most of those guys really DON'T like spins lol...

flyboeingjets 07-26-2006 10:11 AM

Spins and upset recovery training seem pretty intense. Do you become more confident after doing a few?

Golden Flyer 07-26-2006 11:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...=search_videos

Check those out. lol. On my first spin, I'll always remember these videos!

LeoSV 07-26-2006 01:16 PM

I think the stall horn subconsciously makes me more nervous than I should be during stalls

LeoSV 07-26-2006 03:22 PM

Hey, Golden Flyer, thanks for the video link. Wathcing those actually made me feel a little more comfortable, and I need it considering I have no choice in the fact that I'm going to have to learn spins.

Cass 07-26-2006 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by surreal1221
Alright CFIs. . .

Spinning an aircraft, how did you get over the apprehension (if you had any?) during your CFI training?

Gotta have fun, total control of the arrcraft, dont get scared, get ****ed!
Have confidence, YOU ARE IN CONTROL!!!!Make that ***** talk to you .pull her out, and just say yeah, I own you!!!!

rickair7777 07-26-2006 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Cass
Gotta have fun, total control of the arrcraft, dont get scared, get ****ed!
Have confidence, YOU ARE IN CONTROL!!!!Make that ***** talk to you .pull her out, and just say yeah, I own you!!!!

I wish I had met you before I got married.

Golden Flyer 07-26-2006 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777
I wish I had met you before I got married.

Damn! She's rough ain't she? Cass... I know you have a freaky side. I mean that in the best way possible! A visit to your world would be amazing!


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