DA-42 Twin Star as PPL/CPL-Multi Trainer
Recently, my flight school has dropped using a BA-55 Baron as our multi-trainer. I was bummed because I just finished getting my MEI in it and was settling in. NOW, the GM for the school has picked up a DA-42 (Diamond) Twin-Star of all planes. I went up to start getting my 5 hours PIC in the airplane so I could teach in it and the first thing that happens is during an engine out simulation, the G1000 tells us we've had a problem with one of the two computers (ECU's) that controls the left engine (the one still running). The engine hesitates (went to 50% hp) and goes to the back up ECU. TheG1000 now reports that ECU #2 has also failed, but the engine keeps on running. Not in the plane 1 hour and this happens. Needless to say my trust in this tweeked out oddity has been dashed.
Considering it's such an unconventional aircraft, is this even a trainer? Am I just setting my students up for failure when they arrive in The Regional or Part 135 world and ask, "Uh. What are the blue levers (prop controls) for?" I can understand ATP applicants liking it but shouldn't everyone have the rudimentary understandings of prop control? DA-42 lovers, convince me otherwise. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by Badgeman
(Post 803849)
Recently, my flight school has dropped using a BA-55 Baron as our multi-trainer. I was bummed because I just finished getting my MEI in it and was settling in. NOW, the GM for the school has picked up a DA-42 (Diamond) Twin-Star of all planes. I went up to start getting my 5 hours PIC in the airplane so I could teach in it and the first thing that happens is during an engine out simulation, the G1000 tells us we've had a problem with one of the two computers (ECU's) that controls the left engine (the one still running). The engine hesitates (went to 50% hp) and goes to the back up ECU. TheG1000 now reports that ECU #2 has also failed, but the engine keeps on running. Not in the plane 1 hour and this happens. Needless to say my trust in this tweeked out oddity has been dashed.
Considering it's such an unconventional aircraft, is this even a trainer? Am I just setting my students up for failure when they arrive in The Regional or Part 135 world and ask, "Uh. What are the blue levers (prop controls) for?" I can understand ATP applicants liking it but shouldn't everyone have the rudimentary understandings of prop control? DA-42 lovers, convince me otherwise. Thanks. |
My sister did a little bit of instructing in the DA42 a while back and had a partial engine failure on one engine on more than one occasion. I thought they got all that worked out though with some AD's, but perhaps not! I also spoke to a ERAU student who once got the engine fire warning and had to shut an engine down in IMC... Sounds like the DA42 has some issues. It's a great airplane to fly when it's working correctly though!
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Originally Posted by ufgatorpilot
(Post 803870)
My sister did a little bit of instructing in the DA42 a while back and had a partial engine failure on one engine on more than one occasion. I thought they got all that worked out though with some AD's, but perhaps not! I also spoke to a ERAU student who once got the engine fire warning and had to shut an engine down in IMC... Sounds like the DA42 has some issues. It's a great airplane to fly when it's working correctly though!
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They got better over the years
Originally Posted by Badgeman
(Post 803849)
Considering it's such an unconventional aircraft, is this even a trainer? Am I just setting my students up for failure when they arrive in The Regional or Part 135 world and ask, "Uh. What are the blue levers (prop controls) for?" I can understand ATP applicants liking it but shouldn't everyone have the rudimentary understandings of prop control? DA-42 lovers, convince me otherwise. Thanks.
As for whether it's a good trainer or not, I leave that up to the CFIs among you. I already had "blue knob" experience when I used a DA42 to add a multi to my commercial, so I didn't miss it, but since it's the only twin I've flown (80 hrs now) I can't tell if I'd be overwhelmed by transition a Baron, 310, Aztec, etc. I think that training people to fly regional jets was part of its design intent. Aside from the FADEC, its glass cockpit, lots of busses, and the lack of good visual cues ahead of the glareshield were (I'm told...hearsay) intended to prepare future regional jet pilots. I also have a bit of exposure to the new Austro-engined version, which is intended to fix the engine, gearbox, and ECU woes. So far so good, but we've only got 50 hrs or so on it. |
I cant even begin to imagine what your flight training cost is. Those are arguably two of the most expensive twins for rent anywhere in the country.
Great planes, but not cheap planes. |
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 803968)
I cant even begin to imagine what your flight training cost is. Those are arguably two of the most expensive twins for rent anywhere in the country.
Great planes, but not cheap planes. |
Originally Posted by Bashibazouk
(Post 803956)
Is was part of its design intent. Aside from the FADEC, its glass cockpit, lots of busses, and the lack of good visual cues ahead of the glareshield were (I'm told...hearsay) intended to prepare future regional jet pilots.
Originally Posted by Bashibazouk
(Post 803956)
I also have a bit of exposure to the new Austro-engined version, which is intended to fix the engine, gearbox, and ECU woes. So far so good, but we've only got 50 hrs or so on it.
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Not cheap is right
Originally Posted by usmc-sgt
(Post 803968)
I cant even begin to imagine what your flight training cost is. Those are arguably two of the most expensive twins for rent anywhere in the country.
Great planes, but not cheap planes. |
I've not flown a DA-42, but in terms of multi-engine training, I hope that's not the first time students are seeing a prop lever. If the student's are doing add-ons, then they have to have complex time (where an adjustable prop is required). If however, they are doing everything in a multi, then that is a major blow to their experience. Make sure they have a really good grasp of how changes in prop pitch are controlled and why they are beneficial. You could even go so far as to teach the same way you would for the baron and then, once they understand the principle, explain how the DA-42's FADEC operates.
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