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Old 05-11-2010, 06:30 PM
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If you've got to ask, then you don't want to be here.

It's a crappy gamble. If it pays off, you win pretty big, but the buy-in is pretty steep.

An MBA is, in my opinion a safer bet.

If you're playing the odds that is.

There's some of us who will fly no matter what it pays and would rather slit our wrists than get an MBA. If you fit into that category, you wouldn't be asking our opinion.

I'm more worried about cabotage and rising fuel prices than I am automation. I don't think airliners will ever be completely unmanned regardless of the technology because it's a people oriented business.

Honestly, they still haven't gotten rid of all the Flight Engineers. The pilots won't be going away anytime soon.

Right now it would cost way more to fly these things from the ground than fly them from the air...and guess what: the guy on the ground flying it would still be a highly qualified, highly paid person.

Anyway, if you're worried about the odds, go get an MBA from a good school.
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Old 05-11-2010, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
A couple truths about engineers...

1) They always think they thought of everything.
2) They didn't.

Elevators are automated, and so are some trains...but not over-the-highway trucks.
And no unmanned ships at sea.
Why not? They are so slow. They can't come kill you in your bed or office at work if they go astray.

Nautical common sense is much greater and older and experienced than aviation's. No one involved in shipping would dare, and int'l law would not allow ships and boats to move about on the sea without someone on board in command (torpedoes excepted). Someone has to be in truly responsible, and no shorebound operator EVER wil be in that position.

I say operator, and I mean it that way......no operator is or should ever be called a pilot (even if they are licensed pilots). They use of UAV's should ALWAYS be only in a military role, in a war zone. It is irresponsible for the FAA to hop into bed with the manufacturers, relaxing their role of safety of flight to defer to a mission of promotion of aviation industry.

Someone should ALWAYS be onboard, and in irrevocable command of every aircraft outside a war zone.( i would relax that for 80000 ft+ long-duration airships/solar UAV's for telecom use, as they in effect satellites.)

It's sad that there are so many things that make aviation discouraging these days, but just as sad that those that hate flying for a living stay with it and don't leave.

I left the engineering cubicle for aviation. It's had its ups and downs, but I would NEVER go back.
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Old 05-12-2010, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
If you've got to ask, then you don't want to be here.

It's a crappy gamble. If it pays off, you win pretty big, but the buy-in is pretty steep.

An MBA is, in my opinion a safer bet.

If you're playing the odds that is.

There's some of us who will fly no matter what it pays and would rather slit our wrists than get an MBA. If you fit into that category, you wouldn't be asking our opinion.

I'm more worried about cabotage and rising fuel prices than I am automation. I don't think airliners will ever be completely unmanned regardless of the technology because it's a people oriented business.

Honestly, they still haven't gotten rid of all the Flight Engineers. The pilots won't be going away anytime soon.

Right now it would cost way more to fly these things from the ground than fly them from the air...and guess what: the guy on the ground flying it would still be a highly qualified, highly paid person.

Anyway, if you're worried about the odds, go get an MBA from a good school.
Good reply, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 05-12-2010, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
It's a crappy gamble. If it pays off, you win pretty big, but the buy-in is pretty steep.
You're right. . . $75-$100k in debt for an MBA is a huge gamble that doesn't always pays off.

Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine View Post
An MBA is, in my opinion a safer bet.
Hey, wait a minute!



I think if you look into the average MBA student's background, it would resemble the civilian flight training track.

Pilot dream job: Widebody international captain making six figures
MBA dream job: Mid-to-senior level manager making six figures

Pilot reality: Unemployed, CFI, or insurance salesman making $20k
MBA reality: Same job they had pre-MBA, frontline employee making $20-40k

Pilot current debt: $50-$100k
MBA current debt: $50-$100k

Somewhere there has to be an MBA forum where current MBAs whose salaries have shunk and who hate their jobs complain all day about management, working conditions, quality of life, loss of job perks. They probably spend their time in those MBA forums advising young would-be MBAs of getting out and doing something that blows their hair back.

I'm not saying an MBA can't be valuable, but you have to know what you're getting into and have a plan, just like flying . . . It's always greener on the other side
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Old 05-12-2010, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Justin172 View Post



It's always greener on the other side

It's always greener where you are, just need to change your perception
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Old 05-12-2010, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aaronk84 View Post
My question, then, is to current airline pilots: If you were able to do it all over again would you avoid the industry?
Nope! Insted I would've kept my ass in college the first time and finished ROTC. Since I didn't had to do it the hard way. Active duty enlisted (13 years)....pay for tickets out of pocket (no pilot mills, so I owe no one anything)....1 BS, 2 AS done....just finished my ATP.
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