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Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 827410)

Just one more of a thousand reasons to leave CA. I defected in 1996 after living there for about 30 years (from birth). I don't miss the People's Republic of Kalifornia. :p

We've lost our way in this state, for sure. I could expand, but we're talking flying here...suffice to say that we no longer have our priorities in order. (As a Californian import, this makes me sad.)

I wonder, though, if a challenge to the law could be made in Federal court. Seems to me California is trying to regulate aviation ( = interstate commerce = no, you can't, as a state)...I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure regulating aviation and flight schools is an FAA responsibility, not the People's Republic.

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Originally Posted by slipped (Post 829402)

Yeah this place sucks. Nazi Germany

This could be a record for Godwin's Law to kick in!

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Originally Posted by Fishfreighter (Post 836872)

This could be a record for Godwin's Law to kick in!

Yeah, I'm not sure where that one came from.

Seriously, though...perhaps California's government is a good argument for the republican (small 'r') form of government rather than a direct democracy. Our current form of mob rule has >=75% of the State's budget as mandatory spending through State constitutional amendments, meaning that our legislators get to play with smaller pieces of the pie. Result? Hope you don't like roads, higher education and all the other stuff that built Californian prosperity.

What about airlines doing IOE in the state? Who is responsible for the fees? The airline or the Check Airman?

MOD INPUT: Let's steer clear of general political discussion and stick to the specifics of the aviation issue here.

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 837340)

MOD INPUT: Let's steer clear of general political discussion and stick to the specifics of the aviation issue here.

Yeah, sorry about that...it's just my $0.02 that the current political mess in California created the need for alternative revenues ( = non tax).

I don't know how California plans to enforce this, either. It seems like the INTENT here is to get firms that take large chunks of students' money up front to straighten up and fly right—not saying that these firms don't yet do this, but I can think of a few places (Silver State!) where folks paid for something they didn't get. The side effect is that a lot of folks are gonna get caught up as a side effect.

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“Individual flight instructors not having an established place of business other than their residence also were fully exempted from the Reform Act provided they do not negotiate formal contracts of indebtedness or require any advance payments. Exemptions from some, but not all, provisions of the Reform Act also were provided for Flight instruction schools certified by the Federal Aviation Administration that were operating in California on December 31, 1990.”

So I read that as: if you are a 141/142 operator certificated prior to December 31, 1990, or a freelancer, you need not pay, as long as you don't make your students borrow money.

Head here for the latest updates:
NATA - CA Flight Training Issue Update

No one is exempt. Remember, this is a CA money grab. If you really feel the need to see if you're exempt, fill out the application and pay the $250 application "fee".