Originally Posted by Joshrk22
(Post 54885)
So when I get my PPL and go to the local airport to offer to fly along AND log the time, I can't do that?
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
(Post 54902)
Basically, not unless you're splitting the time. (And definately if you're just riding along).
www.flightinfo.com/buildtime.htm |
Either you have a multi engine license, or the other guy has his MEI, otherwise i would not log it. And you can't recieve compensation for it.
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Originally Posted by Joshrk22
(Post 54903)
Hmmm, this doesn't seem right. FI.com must have it wrong then. Check this out....
www.flightinfo.com/buildtime.htm As a general rule I avoid that website, but I'll look at each option: Get Your MEI And Fly Right Seat You can fly right seat and log it as instruction given. Become An Instructor One of the easiest ways and the quickest to build time is to become an instructor. That time is all loggable, and you will learn something at the same time. Fly As A Safety Pilot Many IFR students need to build time under the hood. Offer to be a safety pilot in turn for a little flight time. If you are an instructor, offer to fly that seat for free. Find A Friend Who Owns An Airplane. Don't abuse this friendship Offer To Help With Annuals A lot of the cost in an annual is the time it takes to open up the airplane. Offer to help with opening and closing the airplane in turn for some flight time. This builds friendships. Go Through The Hangers To Find Out Who Is Not Flying Many times you can go through hangers and find airplanes that don't fly, only to find out that the owner doesn't want to fly alone and has trouble finding others to go along. Offer to ride along. This may lead to some PIC time. Tow Banners Banner towing can be a lot of fun, and is a great way to build time. Fly For A Radio Station Many local radio and TV stations are in need of a pilot for traffic reports. Networking Throughout your life you will find out that people get jobs because of who they know. Build a good network of people who can help you in your career. Make friends and have a good time. Flight Cost Split flight cost with another instructor to build flight time. Establish A Breakfast Trip Once a week at your local airport, gather as many pilots with airplanes as you can and offer to ride along . Work For Someone Who Owns An Airplane. Buy Your Own Airplane This can be cost effective if you are able to do the maintenance yourself. Partnership Buy an airplane with another person. If you are an instructor, fly with them, and you can log the time. Buy All Your Time Very costly!! Practice Approaches There are many IFR students who need safety pilots who will let you fly an approach or two for helping them out. Find VFR Pilots Find VFR pilots that own their own planes and offer to fly trips with them to show them what IFR flying is about. Currency IFR pilots need to keep current. Offer to fly with them to help keep them current. Wash Airplanes Trade washing an airplane for flight time. Corporations Many corporations fly single pilot operations. Ask if you can ride along. Who knows, later down the road they may offer you the job. An instructor I know received three part-time twin jobs time this way. ------------------------------------------------------ Simply put, there is no straight answer as to what is cool and what is not. There is a lot of grey area. As a general rule though, if it sounds too good to be true it probably is, and if you and several other people have to ask (or justify) if it's legal, it probably is isn't. |
Oh- as one other side note... I'd be careful about some of the advice that you get from FI.com these days...
A lot of the knowledgable folks have moved on to other forums, and there are a lot of "experts" over there that really aren't anything other than posers. Not to say that there may not be some things worth reading, but I for one don't bother to dig through all of the chaff to find what is worth my time. |
Thanks FlyerJosh
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
(Post 54924)
Oh- as one other side note... I'd be careful about some of the advice that you get from FI.com these days...
A lot of the knowledgable folks have moved on to other forums, and there are a lot of "experts" over there that really aren't anything other than posers. Not to say that there may not be some things worth reading, but I for one don't bother to dig through all of the chaff to find what is worth my time. Yup. But to elaborate on "holding out" and "for hire"... If you can find a friend or acquaintance who is willing to let you fly along and manipulate the controls for your own fun or benefit, that is not a commercial operation, and you can log it all if you are rated & current for the airplane and operation. In this case the flight time is not compensation because you are not being compensated for anything! It's just two guys going flying... Where this could go the wrong way is if the owner of the plane obviously has a NEED for your piloting skills..ie you are Inst. rated, he's not, and the weather is IMC. Even this is OK if the guy is your uncle or a friend as opposed to somebody you solicited or just met today. What if the owner is a 777 CA for a major airline? The FAA would have a field day trying to prove that HE "hired" YOU to fly HIS airplane with him in it... lol Also if you return to the point of origin with no other stops, that makes it REALLY hard for anyone to say that you did common carriage, which requires point A to point B transport (by definition). Realistically, unless you are holding out in a really visible way you can do recreational flying with almost anybody you want, and log it if you meet the requirements. Holding Out is like prostitution...it's not defined by the sex, it's defined by the relationship between the parties: Girl A: You just met her tonight on the street corner, arrange a date, you make some small talk, take her to a motel, have sex, pay her $200, and leave. Girl B: You met her on tuesday at work, arrange a date, take her to dinner and for drinks ($200), make small talk, go back to her place, have sex, and leave. You might actually end up married to girl B... |
Remember: to log Dual Received in the BE90, the other guy has to have a CFIM, and the flight must be operated under Part 91. As long as you've got both of these criteria met, go for it. It'll be a great experience, and you won't have to go out of your way to convice the feds you're learning while you do it - because you will be.
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The regs don't specify left or right seat. But to be safe and have a more quality of hours get your multi-engine rating. A lot of people would love to be in your pants
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Just a quick update. I flew in the C90 and just 'rode along' not logging time. It was a blast just to be up front in a multi. Definately different shooting approaches 3 times as fast as I do in a single. Now I am trying to decide if I want to save up and get my multi add-on haha...
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