mikerizzo

Does flight instructing count into the hours you fly for 121 as far as rest is concerned? ex. You fly for a part 121 carrier and want to teach a student. Is there anyway to get around these rest requirements? For example, not getting paid or working independent of a flight school or fbo.

USMCFLYR

OUCH!

Don't like the sound of this train of thought!

USMCFLYR

FANS cripple

Careful. An acquaintance of mine was invited to leave a legacy pax carrier for doing something not too different without the chief pilot's knowledge. He landed on his feet - but that was before 9/11. YMMV.

Ewfflyer

Well I don't know how it works, but if you are on company rest, you can do whatever you want, but if you are doing something that is commercial flying, then those hours do take away from your total allowed under part 121(as I believe it's similiar to 135 ops in this fashion, which I have flown under).

I'm not familiar, but have heard that some companies prohibit instruction on the side because of this factor. As mentioned above, in a backwards way, getting your chief pilots approval to do these activities might just be the easiest way to go about it.

Final thought, how dare you think about working for free when there are so many instructors out there not making it. That just insults all of us. Think about what you are doing, and get back with us later.

USMCFLYR

You are correct about P135 too - at least in my P135 FOM.

USMCFLYR

rickair7777

I'm 95% sure that the FAA recently re-interpreted their regulations such that flight instruction is NOT commercial flying, and would not count against flight time limits. But check with the AA, don't take my word, I don't seem to have the document on that.

In the past, they held that it was commercial flying (even though this directly contradicts some of their other policies regarding the relationship between a CFI cert and a commercial pilot cert). Also not getting paid would not help...commercial flying is commercial flying whether you are getting paid with money, flight time, or nothing at all.

As far as duty/rest time goes...those concepts do not exist in part 91 so I don't think there could be a conflict with 121. If you were moonlighting at another 121 (or 135) operation, that would be different

Most companies at least require that you get permission for outside flying. This is to ensure that you don't burn up your allowed flight time.

In general I agree. But at one point I was asking the very same question because I wanted to teach a young relative how to fly...obviously I wasn't going to charge him for my time.

clipperskipper

Several of us teach part time to fill in the gaps, do phase checks, check rides, etc. 91, 135, and 141. You've got to watch your times carefully here. Who trains for free?

AtlCSIP

I teach my daughter for free, and pay for the plane and fuel. I taught an underprivileged kid at the church for free, and paid for the airplane and half his fuel. There are circumstances when it is ok to do for free.

USMCFLYR

Some people get paid to give driving lessons too, but obviously many parents teach their children to drive. I would look at you church activities as volunteering for a good cause (some people get paid to serve food, yet many volunteer at a soup kitchen). I see a difference in those situations and what is covered under the other 99%.
If that is what he meant by:
then we just have a situation of poor/unclear communication; if not then......
there are plenty of other threads to show the majority opinion on those actions.

USMCFLYR

jonnyjetprop

There's two issues. The first has been covered already which is that the instructing time goes toward your total commercial time for the year. (I haven't heard of the change that Rickair7777 said) The other is that all your commercial flying goes toward flight and duty times. So you can't fly boxes at night and instruct during the day. You would not have gotten legal rest. There were several accidents in the 80's (OK, I'm dating myself) linked to this.