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plane4 12-09-2010 01:26 PM

CFI written question
 
I have a question about a question for the CFI written exam. What minimum pilot certificate will permit a pilot to enter all Class B airspace?
A) Private Pilot Certificate.
B) Commercial Pilot Certificate.
C) Student Pilot Certificate with an appropriate endorsement.

One could argue that since the question asks about ALL class B airspace as opposed to being trained for and having an endorsement for a specific class B airspace the answer is A) Private Pilot Certificate. Or the answer might be C) Student Pilot Certificate with an appropriate endorsement if you believe that this allows you to enter all class B airspace in which you were trained. How does one determine the correct "FAA" answer before taking the test? I have two test prep sources saying different things.

Thanks


ABerry23 12-09-2010 01:47 PM

61.95 in the FAR..Don't read into the question. We could what "if" every question on the test and possibly disagree with the correct answer!

Also, for student pilot it's Class B specific! Meaning I can train you and endorse you as a student pilot to fly into Tampa, FL class B airspace and you could do that solo; but that doesn't mean you can go over to Orlando class B and land.

Good Luck on the test!

rickair7777 12-09-2010 01:51 PM

Seems to me the answer is (C) since that references an "appropriate endorsement". The word "appropriate" implies that you have the endorsement for the airspace in question.

Some of the biggest class B airports (places like LAX) are off-limits to student pilots, but they can still fly in the airspace...just not land at the primary airport.

ATLCFI 12-09-2010 04:02 PM

Since the question asks what minimum certificate to operate in "ALL" class B, then the answer is A. Part 61.95 is just a part of the answer. The remaining part of the answer is covered by 91.131(b)(2). There is a list of airports that a student pilot can not be given an endorsement to operate inside. The list of airports are in section 4 of appendix D of Part 91.

ABerry23 12-09-2010 04:18 PM

I agree with ATLCFI after reading it again! the key word is ALL..

Nice job correcting ATLCFI!!!

rickair7777 12-09-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by ATLCFI (Post 913833)
Since the question asks what minimum certificate to operate in "ALL" class B, then the answer is A. Part 61.95 is just a part of the answer. The remaining part of the answer is covered by 91.131(b)(2). There is a list of airports that a student pilot can not be given an endorsement to operate inside. The list of airports are in section 4 of appendix D of Part 91.

Per the regs you're wrong (although god knows second guessing how the FAA will read something is not an exact science).

You need to go read 91.131(b)(1) and 91.131(b)(2) again VERY carefully...compare and contrast. Hint...one of these is not exactly like the other.

Bottom line....a student pilot can fly in ALL class B airspace with an appropriate endorsement. The limitation is that he cannot LAND at those primary class B airports listed in App D subpart 4 of part 91. There is a difference between "flying in" and "landing at" in 91.131.

Since the question asks about flying in B airspace, which you can do anywhere with an endorsement, and says nothing about landing I'd go with (C).

This is what they call a "trick question"

Cubdriver 12-09-2010 06:55 PM

I wonder if the OP provided the exact question or if it was a paraphrase. It seems to make a key difference depending on how it was worded. Unless landing is included then I take RickAir's explanation.

ABerry23 12-10-2010 02:00 AM

Just looked it up in the Gliem Flight Instructor test prep..The OP has it worded right and Rick was spot on. The way it's phrased is " Permit a Pilot to ENTER ALL class B airspace" and the answer would be C since no landing is mentioned!

I'm going to Law School!!

ATLCFI 12-10-2010 04:37 PM

RickAir is correct. Thanks for the clarification.

plane4 12-23-2010 08:52 AM

Well this question did not come up in either the CFI-airplane or advanced ground instructor written tests. In addition the tests were extremely easy and I scored a 98% on both. Thanks for the help.

I now need lesson plans and syllabus. Does anyone have any good ideas?


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