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Old 10-14-2011, 08:55 AM
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On a single engine approach in a Piper Seminole. If you had to do a go around and full flaps and gear were down. Airplane was at max gross weight on a standard day. What would you retract first and why?

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You would want to retract full flaps first because the drag is greater for them than the gear being down. Approximate drag factors for full flaps is -275 fpm, while gear down is onle -250 fpm (from the piper Seminole POH).
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There is no such thing as a single engine go around in a low-powered light twin because it is equal to a death sentence. If you were a great pilot, ready for the clean up and everything, you are talking a few hundred feet per minute climb rate at best. If you are going 100 knots, that's more than 1.5 miles per minute for 5 minutes, about 8 miles before you get back to safe altitude. You shouldn't turn either because that robs climb rate. No sane instructor teaches S-E go arounds in a low-powered twin. Not even for practice, because we do not want anyone to establish bad habits.
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In jets we do SE approaches and landings with partial flaps. I don't know why we didn't do that in light twins but it would be a good idea. Why not do the approach and landing with 5 or 10 degrees instead of full flaps?
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whats the POH say
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In the "Smokin' Hole" and the Duchess I used to do/teach "flaps, gear, flaps, flaps."
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Laxrox43 View Post
... I used to do/teach "flaps, gear, flaps, flaps."
Same. In both multi and MEI training and when instructing, I would teach flaps first, then gear. Of course this was in a 310...it would come out of the sky dirtied up.

Does a Seminole have manual flaps? If so there's obviously no load on the electrical system for the flaps...I'd yank a notch and pull the gear up back to back.
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Originally Posted by skypimp92 View Post
Hey Guys,

On a single engine approach in a Piper Seminole. If you had to do a go around and full flaps and gear were down. Airplane was at max gross weight on a standard day. What would you retract first and why?

Best Regards,
-Ken
The average light twin can't do a SE go-around at max gross.
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Most profiles/checklists I have used call for you to wait until landing is assured before adding full flaps when single engine. There are very few things if any that would send me around single engine.
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Never did full flap approaches single engine, In light twins. Why train that way?

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