Ottopilot

"They're". Less flight school, more regular school.

Mike400

Thanks for the grammar check, I'm sure I'll learn that if I went to one of those regular schools haha

seaduck

I think that multiengine time is absolutely overrated. I would rather look at the procedures.

You can fly a seminole or seneca like a 150. No need of checklists at all.

In my flightschool we were using items, follow up checklists, etc.
Anything that increases your workload is good. When I transitioned to a jet, it was a peace of cake. The workload on the A320 for example is much less than on the seminole that I used to fly.

So I would look at the procedures, the way they do their briefings etc.

Cheers and good luck,

Christian

Flyhayes

Seaduck raises a good point. Good procedures make you a better pilot. Also when it comes down to a cost comparison, getting most of your certificates done in a single engine will usually be the cheaper route. All the money you save can be put towards multi time building, this should give you more total time in the end.

I might be biased when it comes to quick track training such as at ATP, but to me it seems like these style pilot mills (don't get me wrong there are good ones out there) tend to train only to the checkride standards. They have close relationships with the DPE's they use and know exactly how to train a student to pass with that particular DPE. Personally I think that creates a huge disservice to the aviation community.

I once attempted to give an aircraft checkout to one of their CFI-CFII 3 week course grads. Sadly, he wasn't able to fly well enough from the right seat of a 172 to get my approval.

edavis

I live down the street from KTPA and went to go check out ALL ATP in the vincenity. Off hand, I got a bad vibe from it. I walk in and no one didnt even welcome me in. So I set myself down, put my 2 cents in someone else conversation until i was noticed. he show me some of the programs they have. from zero to MEI and "guaranteed instructor job" for 59,990; which is not bad at all in price. but for me, i do not think 150 days is good enough for me to know my stuff. Here is Aviator College price and breakdown:


Course # Courses Description Clock Hours Credit Hours Tuition Flight Fees Written Costs Checkride Total Tuition
Private Pilot Ratings
AVT1100 Private Pilot Ground School 60 4 $1,100.00 $150.00 $1,250.00
AVF1100 Private Pilot Flight Training 40 3 $825.00 $6,275.00 $400.00 $7,500.00
AVT1200 Multi-Engine Ground School 20 1 $275.00 $275.00
AVF1200 Multi-Engine Pilot Flight Training 12 1 $275.00 $3,225.00 $400.00 $3,900.00
1st Term Subtotal 132 9 $2,475.00 $9,500.00 $150.00 $800.00 $12,925.00

Private Pilot Ratings
AVT1300 Instrument Rating Ground School 50 3 $825.00 $150.00 $975.00
AVF1300 Instrument Rating Flight Training 42 3 $825.00 $11,675.00 $400.00 $12,900.00
2nd Term Subtotal 92 6 $1,650.00 $11,675.00 $150.00 $400.00 $13,875.00

Commerical Pilot Ratings
AVT1400 Commercial Gournd School 63 4 $1,100.00 $150.00 $1,250.00
AVF1400 Commercial Pilot Flight Training 1 36 2 $550.00 $9,460.00 $800.00 $10,810.00
AVF1400L Commercial Pilot Flight Training Lab 100 3 $825.00 $7,575.00 $8,400.00
3rd Term Subtotal 199 9 $2,475.00 $17,035.00 $150.00 $800.00 $20,460.00

Flight Instructor Ratings
AVT1700 Flight Instructor Ground 90 6 $1,650.00 $300.00 $1,950.00
AVT1800 Flight Instructor Instrument Gournd 10 1 $275.00 $150.00 $425.00
AVF1700 Flight Insturctor Multi-Engine (MEI) 15 1 $275.00 $4,625.00 $600.00 $5,500.00
AVF1800 Flight Instructor Instrument (CFII) 7 1 $275.00 $945.00 $400.00 $1,620.00
AVF1900 Flight Instructor Single-Engine (CFI) 7 1 $275.00 $945.00 $400.00 $1,620.00
4th Term Subtotal 129 10 $2,750.00 $6,515.00 $450.00 $1,400.00 $11,115.00

Upper Division Courses
AVG1700 Pilot Career Planning & Interviewing 30 2 $550.00 $550.00
AVG1500 CRJ Simulator Training 45 3 $825.00 $825.00
AvG1600 Jet Transition & CRG 200/700/900 Sys 45 3 $825.00 $825.00
AVI2100 Aviation Internship I 153 4 $962.50 $962.50
AVI2200 Aviation Internship II 153 4 $962.50 $962.50
5th Term Subtotal 426 15 $4,125.00 $- $- $- $4,125.00

Aviation Electives
AVG1100 Aerodynamics 45 3 $825.00 $825.00
AVG1200 Aviatin Metorology 45 3 $825.00 $825.00
AVG1300 Aviation Law 45 $825.00 $825.00
AVG1400 Aviation Safety 45 $825.00 $825.00
6th Term Subtotal 90 6 $1,650.00 $- $- $- $1,650.00

Total Cost of Tuition and Flight Training 1068 55 $15,125.00 $44,725.00 $900.00 $3,400.00 $64,150.00
General Education Requirements 270 18
Degree Required Totals 1338 73
FASFA pays a good portion of the program. Also doing your gen. ed classes brings the price down even more. but you will need a loan to pay for the rest, unless you have a rich family to pay for it. If you do, please dont hesitate to send me a check for 64k lol.

CAVOK84

ATP really knows what they are doing. I believe in the last 5 years especially, they have really come into their own.

atpwannabe

Can anyone give me some insight into what a "normal" week of a CFI consists of? If someone from Ari-Ben can offer some insight...that'd be great. If not, Ewfflyer and Pearl Pilot, or anyone else out there....I'm all ears!


atp

Phantom Flyer

I think you mean "they're flight schools"....as in "they are flight schools".

G'Luck in School Mate

Flyhayes

Is there an echo in here or is it just me?

Phantom Flyer

Edavis and Mike400. Both of you need to forget about aviation schools and go back to a "real" school and learn to read and write the English language. Don't forget, you have to show proficiency in English for those fine folks at the FAA.

I hate to sound like a nitpicky jerk, but I hope you don't present yourselves this way when you're actually sending in a resume on heaven forbid, in an interview. Having set on pilot selection boards at a large major for several years, one can't overemphasize how important it is to make a positive impression with that first meeting. You may only get one or perhaps two chances and I'd hate to see a really smart candidate who is a good pilot "roll over and crash" simply because of a poor first impression.

Off my soapbox and back for another ice cold Smithwick's. Oh, Flyhayes, no, there isn't an echo in here. Must be you.

Cheers Mates