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WhiteH2O 10-15-2006 11:33 AM

Logging sim time...
 
Just a quick question, how should I log sim time? I got a chance to get some time in a sim and the instructor logged it as multi time, dual recieved, and sim time. He didn't log the approaches, didn't log the instrument time, and didn't log it as total time. The instructor didn't seem sure how to log it himself, and that is the only reason that I am double checking him. It seems to me that it should be total, instrument, and the approaches that I did where there were clouds after FAF should count. Am I right?

WhiteH2O 10-15-2006 11:37 AM

Oops, just found another post on this subject. Sory.

What I don't get for sure, is can I still log it as Multi-time? So single engine time, plus multi time will be the same as total plus simulator? Or is it ONLY simulator time?

Ottopilot 10-15-2006 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 69490)
Oops, just found another post on this subject. Sory.

What I don't get for sure, is can I still log it as Multi-time? So single engine time, plus multi time will be the same as total plus simulator? Or is it ONLY simulator time?

Only SIM time. It is a simulator, it doesn't have any engines. :D

rickair7777 10-15-2006 06:01 PM

SIM, yes
Approaches, yes
Multi, no
Total Time, no

There is some debate about logging dual received in a sim. For interview purposes it is probably easier if your dual recieved is airplane-only. Sim time is always understood to be dual anyway, you don't need to list it in the dual received column.

WhiteH2O 10-15-2006 10:43 PM

Instrument time? Actual or simulated?

multipilot 10-16-2006 07:50 AM

logging sim time
 
Refer to 14 CFR 61.4 Qualification and approval of flight simulators and flight training devices. My first question is, is this simulator / FTD approved? If not, then you cannot log it to satisfy any training or currency requirements which is the whole point of logging time in the first place.

Secondly, when I log time in a sim/FTD...

Aircraft type: FRASCA (the type of sim/ftd)
Aircraft N#: 141 or 242 respectively (the type of Frasca)
From: The name of the flight school or airport where the approved sim/FTD is located.
Leave the To column blank
Remarks: what you did and the names and locations of any approaches.
Number of approaches: how ever many approaches you practiced in the sim.
Flight Simulator: how ever long you spent in the sim/FTD.

Have your instructor, or if you are the instructor, sign the logbook.

Do Nots...

Do not log sim/ftd time in the ASEL or AMEL column
Do not log sim/ftd time as total time
Do not log sim/ftd time as dual received
Do not log sim/ftd time as PIC
Do not log sim/ftd time as actual or hood.

As someone previously posted, it does not have any engines and it does not fly so do not log it as flight time.

If I could log time in an FTD or sim as multi, I would be in that thing every day.

rickair7777 10-16-2006 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 69677)
Instrument time? Actual or simulated?

No instrument time, that is for the airplane only. "Simulated Instrument" usually means hood time in a real airplane. When applying for jobs or ratings you simply your add your actual, your simulated (hood), and your simulator time to get your total instrument experience. At the entry level, the sims don't have visuals to speak of, so all of your simulator time is assumed to be instrument experience.

Different employers will allow different amounts of credit for sim or hood time vs. actual, so you want to keep them very seperate.

WhiteH2O 10-16-2006 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by multipilot (Post 69737)
My first question is, is this simulator / FTD approved?

It is the 737-400 sim that Alaska Airlines uses for their training. Full-motion, type rating approved, all that stuff. Very neat machine.

I have it logged as number of approaches, and sim time. That is it. (I logged the landings, but I doubt that matters either way. I don't need them for currency)

So, should I add this time to instrument time for reasons of instrument time when applying to airlines, or does it matter what airline? I guess I would be safe leaving it out. Better than having to fix a mistake.

Ottopilot 10-16-2006 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 69895)
It is the 737-400 sim that Alaska Airlines uses for their training. Full-motion, type rating approved, all that stuff. Very neat machine.

I have it logged as number of approaches, and sim time. That is it. (I logged the landings, but I doubt that matters either way. I don't need them for currency)

So, should I add this time to instrument time for reasons of instrument time when applying to airlines, or does it matter what airline? I guess I would be safe leaving it out. Better than having to fix a mistake.


All levels of simulators are all still simulators.

multipilot 10-17-2006 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 69895)

I have it logged as number of approaches, and sim time. That is it. (I logged the landings, but I doubt that matters either way. I don't need them for currency)

So, should I add this time to instrument time for reasons of instrument time when applying to airlines, or does it matter what airline? I guess I would be safe leaving it out. Better than having to fix a mistake.

I would leave it the way you have it. just sim time and number of approaches.

I flew a 737-300 sim a while back and had a blast. I didn't log any time though. We just messed around a bit and hand flew some approaches.


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