Im going to ATP
01-26-2012, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDH
I went to ATP. Worked for me. Yeah it's rough and you have to work hard but you get through it quick and on your way to doing what you want to do. It's the first step to being broke for a while but at some point you'll get though it. Most people it takes years to get though everything. You'll do it in 90 days with good multi time. No one who I went through the program with went over the flight time and had to pay extra. People did wash out but they were also scared of power on stalls. Some instructors do suck but most were good. Just don't expect someone to hold your hand. You have to put in the time.
Flying is about being a pilot...not going from zero to RJ in 120 days. Take your time, see things, enjoy aviation.
01-27-2012, 06:27 AM
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In my experience I've seen ATP guys be hired pretty quick. Lots of regionals are lowering their minimum total time but most of them are holding strong on the multi requirement. The only guys I've met that have 500TT but over 100 multi are former ATP students.
It's expensive and everyone seems to be flaming you for that, but it's probably the best fast track to the regionals is that's your goal. I didn't go to ATP and I ended up with over 1,000 total before I was able to build 100 multi. At ATP you'll have 100 multi at around 300 total. Regionals will eat that up if the hiring continues.
I know an ATP student who had his first flight ever after I already had my MEI and he made it to the airlines 6 months before more.
It's expensive and everyone seems to be flaming you for that, but it's probably the best fast track to the regionals is that's your goal. I didn't go to ATP and I ended up with over 1,000 total before I was able to build 100 multi. At ATP you'll have 100 multi at around 300 total. Regionals will eat that up if the hiring continues.
I know an ATP student who had his first flight ever after I already had my MEI and he made it to the airlines 6 months before more.
01-27-2012, 07:53 AM
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This is the Economics teacher coming out., and I am not going to knock you on selecting ATP as I am looking at enrolling in their CFI courses. However, I do have questions. Have you thought about doing your instrument and Commercial Single through a local FBO? It would save money in the long run, and coming out relatively debt free would be great given what regionals pay. What about going to college and flying on the side? I have been around long enough to see the cycles, and I would hope you have another career to fall back on. No matter what route you select, good luck.
Just my $.02.
Just my $.02.
01-27-2012, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
In my experience I've seen ATP guys be hired pretty quick. Lots of regionals are lowering their minimum total time but most of them are holding strong on the multi requirement. The only guys I've met that have 500TT but over 100 multi are former ATP students.
It's expensive and everyone seems to be flaming you for that, but it's probably the best fast track to the regionals is that's your goal. I didn't go to ATP and I ended up with over 1,000 total before I was able to build 100 multi. At ATP you'll have 100 multi at around 300 total. Regionals will eat that up if the hiring continues.
I know an ATP student who had his first flight ever after I already had my MEI and he made it to the airlines 6 months before more.
It's expensive and everyone seems to be flaming you for that, but it's probably the best fast track to the regionals is that's your goal. I didn't go to ATP and I ended up with over 1,000 total before I was able to build 100 multi. At ATP you'll have 100 multi at around 300 total. Regionals will eat that up if the hiring continues.
I know an ATP student who had his first flight ever after I already had my MEI and he made it to the airlines 6 months before more.
That said, why would you want to pay three times as much flying multi-engines from the get go, compared to getting your single engine ratings at a mom an pop. You'll have more than enough money left over to get your multi engine time building in and still come out ahead. I'm not sure what ATP is charging per hour anymore, but we charge 195/hr wet for our multi if that gives you any indication of the price differences.
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01-27-2012, 09:20 AM
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It has taken me almost two years to get my private license, just because I have to save up my money then go for a few days then save up for a few more months then go for a few days. Doing that way has been hard for me, I want to be a pilot and want to fly jets. Ive talked with several people who work for the regionals and delta, I asked them what I should do. They tell me ATP and the FBO side, but Im tired of trying to grind it out for 5 months just to go for fly for three days. My plan is ATP and I plan to stick with them, but advice on training would be awesome
01-27-2012, 09:31 AM
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Jets are boring! Fly an EMB-120.
As for advice:
1: always be more prepared than your instructor
2: get ALL of your writtens out of the way. It will be hard and will make you clinically insane, but do it.
3: chair fly every maneuver. I am sure you can sit in a plane or sim not spending any money touching switches and levers. Know each memory item and procedure cold.
4: trust but verify. Your CFI is not always right. Do not make them look stupid but respectfully disagree and find the correct answer together.
5: partying..don't. You are there to learn and get done as quick as possible. This will not be a FL vacation.
6: In contrast..don't be a hermit, have an avenue to blow off some steam.
7: strive for perfection. "I was only 20 feet off on my steep turn." Don't let that be acceptable. You may never achieve perfection but it doesn't mean you don't always try.
As for advice:
1: always be more prepared than your instructor
2: get ALL of your writtens out of the way. It will be hard and will make you clinically insane, but do it.
3: chair fly every maneuver. I am sure you can sit in a plane or sim not spending any money touching switches and levers. Know each memory item and procedure cold.
4: trust but verify. Your CFI is not always right. Do not make them look stupid but respectfully disagree and find the correct answer together.
5: partying..don't. You are there to learn and get done as quick as possible. This will not be a FL vacation.
6: In contrast..don't be a hermit, have an avenue to blow off some steam.
7: strive for perfection. "I was only 20 feet off on my steep turn." Don't let that be acceptable. You may never achieve perfection but it doesn't mean you don't always try.
01-27-2012, 10:11 AM
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The flip side to saving money and going to ATP is getting your ratings at a more expensive FBO. The FBO may be more expensive but consider that they may pay you much more as an instructor than ATP would.
Just a thought!
Just a thought!
01-27-2012, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDH
I went to ATP. Worked for me. Yeah it's rough and you have to work hard but you get through it quick and on your way to doing what you want to do. It's the first step to being broke for a while but at some point you'll get though it. Most people it takes years to get though everything. You'll do it in 90 days with good multi time. No one who I went through the program with went over the flight time and had to pay extra. People did wash out but they were also scared of power on stalls. Some instructors do suck but most were good. Just don't expect someone to hold your hand. You have to put in the time.
01-27-2012, 10:22 AM
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In addition to USMC-sgt's suggestions
Strive to fly 5 days a week, but don't over do it. When I find my students are hitting a learning plateau (these are inevitable) I suggest that they take a few days off from flying. There is no point trying to fly extra lessons when you're "just not getting it". The brain needs time to reflect and sort things out sometimes, usually a few days off from flying helps the sorting process. It's not unlike working out, where your muscles are actually gaining strength/mass after the workout during the recuperation phase.
Also, during instrument training, purchasing a flight sim for home use is an excellent tool to improve your instrument scan and to practice instrument procedures. However, don't get ahead of what your instructor is teaching you. It can be very frustrating for an instructor to unteach the bad habits you may pick up by trying to "teach" yourself.
Strive to fly 5 days a week, but don't over do it. When I find my students are hitting a learning plateau (these are inevitable) I suggest that they take a few days off from flying. There is no point trying to fly extra lessons when you're "just not getting it". The brain needs time to reflect and sort things out sometimes, usually a few days off from flying helps the sorting process. It's not unlike working out, where your muscles are actually gaining strength/mass after the workout during the recuperation phase.
Also, during instrument training, purchasing a flight sim for home use is an excellent tool to improve your instrument scan and to practice instrument procedures. However, don't get ahead of what your instructor is teaching you. It can be very frustrating for an instructor to unteach the bad habits you may pick up by trying to "teach" yourself.
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