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USN C9B 07-14-2012 12:47 PM
Originally Posted by atr42flyer (Post 1229360)
80lbs is over the fudge factor? really on any given day airliners take off thousands of pounds overweight, when you think about it per the FAA the avg airline passenger weighs only 175lbs and their bags only weigh 30lbs each. I am sure your little cessna would have handled 80lbs pounds over just fine. I am with the boss on this one get the job done. rookie
You are clueless my friend. The 175 pax weight is an FAA approved W&B weight/procedure. It is not about what the aircraft can do. It is about what is legal.

OBTW, What is the max fudge factor limit of a C172?

C9

JamesNoBrakes 07-14-2012 02:07 PM
Originally Posted by atr42flyer (Post 1229360)
80lbs is over the fudge factor? really on any given day airliners take off thousands of pounds overweight, when you think about it per the FAA the avg airline passenger weighs only 175lbs and their bags only weigh 30lbs each. I am sure your little cessna would have handled 80lbs pounds over just fine. I am with the boss on this one get the job done. rookie
Yes, because NA cessna pistons climb at 4000fpm, have lots of excess thrust on takeoff and can push the throttle from from 91% to 106% in case of trouble.

atr42flyer 07-14-2012 02:35 PM
its so easy to get you guys all worked up!

Std Deviation 07-17-2012 01:14 PM
Tell the owner there's an obesity epidemic - drop the Skyhawks and get Skylanes.

Seriously though, what always drove me crazy was the DPE is a Cessna 152 that said "put my weight down as 160" during the W&B portion of the private pilot checkride. Yeah, right chubby.

There's very few examiner/applicant combinations that can takeoff with legal fuel and remain within W&B on a checkride in a 152, and yet it happens frequently. Double standard?

sinkrate3278 07-19-2012 03:46 PM
One phrase: PIC!

Bravo sir, you exercised your privilege perfectly well!

bcrosier 07-19-2012 06:37 PM
Originally Posted by IrishFlyer757 (Post 1229335)
I pride myself on being a conservative and safe pilot - did I do anything wrong here?
No, I'd say what you did was completely correct, and bravo to you for sticking to your guns in a tough situation. Many people would have caved in and gone - the NTSB reports are full of stories about them.

As others have said - you now have a great "Tell me about a time..." story for an interview.

Again, well done. You should be proud of yourself.

M20EPilot 07-19-2012 09:01 PM
IMHO:

If you refused the flight, you did the right thing.

Your ticket is on the line. A small incident, even if minor, could expose this and call insurance coverage into account.

Will the airplane physically be able to do it? Without question! But that's not the issue..

thurberm 07-20-2012 04:45 AM
Was delaying their tour an hour while you reset currency in the pattern an option, instead of canceling the flight altogether?

Otherwise, good call.

love2av8 07-20-2012 05:03 AM
When you are hesitant to do something, always ask yourself this question: could I defend my decision to the FAA or NTSB? If the answer is no, then you have your answer.
Owners don't care about your certificates, they care about the bottom line. Sadly this will probably not be the only time you are put in this position. Bravo for doing what you needed to do.

Swedish Blender 07-20-2012 05:21 AM
Originally Posted by love2av8 (Post 1232666)
When you are hesitant to do something, always ask yourself this question: could I defend my decision to the FAA or NTSB? If the answer is no, then you have your answer.
Owners don't care about your certificates, they care about the bottom line. Sadly this will probably not be the only time you are put in this position. Bravo for doing what you needed to do.
That's not the first question to ask. Will it possibly kill me is the first.


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