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Vito 10-11-2012 11:59 AM

Status of the 1500 hr ATP requirement?
 
Has this rule passed and is now law or is it still pending? Can anyone supply a link to this rule or any information about its current status. My son is in a University aviation program thats accreditted and suppossedly the 1500 hour requirement will be lowered for students graduating from such programs, any info on this as well. Also I appreciate everyones input, but please refrain from the "Don't become a pilot" responses.
Thanks in advance,
Vito

galaxy flyer 10-11-2012 01:48 PM

The law was passed by Congress and signed by Obama--it's law. The FAA's implementation regulation has been announced in the Federal Register yet, not expected before spring. In any case, the ATP requirement is effective August, 2013. What the FAA will "call" an ATP is the question. The talk is some reduction for military and degree programs, 750 hours for mil, 1000 for college programs.

How this plays with ICAO FCL standards is yet another question.

GF

Just to fill the square--don't become a pilot

rickair7777 10-11-2012 01:49 PM

This is being discussed here:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/av...le-rumors.html

BLUF: The new law allows for (but does NOT require) reduced aeronautical experience requirements for grads of university (and military) programs but leaves the details up to the FAA. They decide when and how to implement this...or if to implement it.

The FAA apparently thinks they will have this ironed out next summer. So that probably means 2015+ unless someone applies a lot of pressure.

You are wise to ask here rather than take the word of university recruiters...they can blow a lot of smoke without actually lying since nobody knows what will ultimately happen. If your kid is starting now, assume he'll need 1500. If he can't hack a couple years as a CFI, he had better not go down this road.

Vito 10-11-2012 04:25 PM

Thanks for the info guys. Just as I thought there is still a grey area concerning the actual hours or excemptions/reductions. Time will tell

pengu 10-13-2012 06:45 AM

1000 hrs collage flying ? Would this apply only to
instructors who work for the university ?

galaxy flyer 10-13-2012 07:18 AM

No, it's a college aviation program (think UND or ERAU) plus a 1,000 hours; not being a college instructor.

GF

rickair7777 10-13-2012 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by pengu (Post 1276336)
1000 hrs collage flying ? Would this apply only to
instructors who work for the university ?


Most likely it will work like this:

It would only apply to graduates of certain specific training programs associated with a university and 4-year degree. Once they graduate, they can get an ATP with 1000 TT. They can get the the hours anywhere they want, including working as CFI's at thier alma mater, but they would not be required to work there.

CFI's who happen work for university flight programs would not get reduced mins unless they also graduated from a university program.

chrisreedrules 10-13-2012 08:52 AM

The difference between 1,000 and 1,500 hours seems negligible to me. I don't even understand why this would be in there. If you can get to 1,000 hours you should be able to get to 1,500 rather easily.

rickair7777 10-13-2012 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1276394)
The difference between 1,000 and 1,500 hours seems negligible to me. I don't even understand why this would be in there. If you can get to 1,000 hours you should be able to get to 1,500 rather easily.

Somebody at some point in the distant past decided 1500 was the bar for the ATP. Presumably they did some sort of analysis or careful consideration.

chrisreedrules 10-13-2012 09:56 AM

Oh no, I get that... What I'm trying to say is that I don't understand the reasoning behind reduced minimums for graduates of a college program. I just don't see how that would improve safety (which is what I thought this whole HR was about to begin with).


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