ATP Inc. Purchases 20 Diamond Jets
11-13-2006, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by robthree
Define "experienced instructors".
600TT 550ME may get you a job at a regional these days, but does it really make you an "Experienced Instructor"? If not, how the hell are they going to get said Instructor if thier people keep making the jump at that point? Pay them more than at a Regional job? Not likely.
600TT 550ME may get you a job at a regional these days, but does it really make you an "Experienced Instructor"? If not, how the hell are they going to get said Instructor if thier people keep making the jump at that point? Pay them more than at a Regional job? Not likely.
Well boss, top of my head, and I'm no CEO, I would imagine they would do what they did when they use to offer the high altitude endorsement on the citation. They employed former airline employees, more than likely with an instructor ticket. They will be operating under a 91 certificate I'm sure, so I have no doubts they'll find a few folks over 60, more than happy to do it. You are right, insurance would never go for a guy with 600 hours.
11-13-2006, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanchez
Well boss, top of my head, and I'm no CEO, I would imagine they would do what they did when they use to offer the high altitude endorsement on the citation. They employed former airline employees, more than likely with an instructor ticket. They will be operating under a 91 certificate I'm sure, so I have no doubts they'll find a few folks over 60, more than happy to do it. You are right, insurance would never go for a guy with 600 hours.
11-13-2006, 07:53 PM
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i'd see the odds that they'll send several of their instructors who'll be hand picked to diamond to recieve initial training on the aircraft. Those instructors will then give the instruction on the aircraft to the other instructors as the aircraft become available to the company, this normally continues until the instructor ranks are filled to the necessity.
As we said, insurance will probalby not allow low time pilots to hop in the seat of these toys as instructors. But, we do know that they've got guys who they're placing in the front of a RJ with 50-70 seats behind them, and they're doing that in 250 hrs. scary, but true.
As we said, insurance will probalby not allow low time pilots to hop in the seat of these toys as instructors. But, we do know that they've got guys who they're placing in the front of a RJ with 50-70 seats behind them, and they're doing that in 250 hrs. scary, but true.
11-14-2006, 08:21 AM
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So we're clear guys, this is a single pilot Jet. Which means only one person has to meet the insurance requirements...the instructor. The student could have 250 hours and still be ok. I still believe they will have to put an individual with turbine time in the left seat, hence, the $20,000 increase they're probably going to add to the bill of their programs.
11-14-2006, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
For the love of god how hard is it to get 1000 hours?? What could the possibly do with a jet except to sell it to starry eyed idiots who are willing to pay their life savings in order to skip the CFI route.
11-14-2006, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Pretty hard if you're just starting out. I lucked out I think. But most guys it seems have to starve quite a bit to get it.
The CFI I had for my PPL was at it for 6 years and had barely broken 1,000 hours. He had less than 25 ME hours...Pretty sad. He finally gave up on flying and became a cop in california. A number of other CFIs at the school were waiting for their interview date with the police. One was going back into the USMC. Another was working three jobs hoping to payoff his ERAU loans.
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05-13-2011, 09:25 PM
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Diamond D-Jet in trouble
Originally Posted by jdr7225
Diamond will deliver ATP’s first D-JET in July of 2009, about one year after starting delivery of production aircraft.
05-13-2011, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by flynavyj
But, we do know that they've got guys who they're placing in the front of a RJ with 50-70 seats behind them, and they're doing that in 250 hrs. scary, but true.
They're doing it with less Multi-Crew hours, and with HUNDREDS in the back.
05-15-2011, 05:58 AM
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The D-jets aren't just for the students. They're also training for the D-jet itself. So ATP will become kinda like Flight Safety, Sim Com etc... Yeah I don't like the zero to hero folks behind the yoke of a jet either, and it doesn't matter how many people are behind them to me. Just because I have an anus doesn't mean my rear should be parked 24/7 on cold porcelain.
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