Gold rush

I dont ave a copy of the Far-aim at hand and would appreciate if someone could point out what the most up to date regulations are for the Sic of a medium size jetliner (B-727) to remain current on type.

Gold rush

I got it in Gleim 121.441

A pilot flight crewmember, other than the pilot in command, must have recieved either a proficiency check or line oriented simulator training within the previous 24 months.

FlyerJosh

§*61.55***Second-in-command qualifications.
(a) A person may serve as a second-in-command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second-in-command pilot flight crewmember only if that person holds:

(1) At least a private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and

(2) An instrument rating or privilege that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR; and

(3) The appropriate pilot type rating for the aircraft unless the flight will be conducted as domestic flight operations within United States airspace.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, no person may serve as a second-in-command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second-in-command unless that person has within the previous 12 calendar months:

(1) Become familiar with the following information for the specific type aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested—

(i) Operational procedures applicable to the powerplant, equipment, and systems.

(ii) Performance specifications and limitations.

(iii) Normal, abnormal, and emergency operating procedures.

(iv) Flight manual.

(v) Placards and markings.

(2) Except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, performed and logged pilot time in the type of aircraft or in a flight simulator that represents the type of aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested, which includes—

(i) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;

(ii) Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command; and

(iii) Crew resource management training.

Gold rush

For a Pilot crewmember with a valid typerating on the aircraft and within the 90 day rule no need for a course of recurrency within 24 months to serve as SIC.

For a non typerated individual to serve as SIC on the aircraft type He/She must have made a course of training with 12 months outlining limitations and procedures and have that stamped by an authorized instructor.

Am I reading into it correct.

Twin Wasp

What rules are you operating under? I think you're confusing the idea of having the type and being the PIC. Under 91 (hard to get a 727 operating that way but there was at least one "grandfathered" under 91D) 61.55 applies. The SIC needs ground and flight training yearly. The PIC of the plane, if they are PIC of two different aircraft that require types, can alternate annual checkrides between the two types.

Part 125 requires yearly training, 121 yearly or whatever your training manual says if you have AQP.

727gm

To carry passengers....not for ferry, training, or MX test flight, I think...

I've seen one with a waiver(to FAR 125) allowing operation under 91 also...

Twin Wasp

Yeah, but since he said "to remain current" I figured that one off exception didn't apply.

Lots of folks get that. The Getty family plane out in Oakland wasn't on a 125 to waive to 91.

Gold rush

There is a document giving definition to recurrency from the TSA to flight training providers in 2004 TSA-2004-19147
It covers 61, 121 , 125, 135 or subpart K of 91 , TSA defines this definition to not include any flight review, Proficiency check, or other check whose purpose is to review rules, maneuvers or procedures etc.

Twin Wasp

Ah, yeah, TSA has provided guidance for when you do or do not need a background check.