727CA

I am a furloughed airline pilot. I have been flying as Captain on a 727 for the past 5 years, and lots of time as FO before that.
I'm filling out applications, and have some questions about certificates/ratings in general.

Does the ATP rating supersede all other ratings/certificates? (for instance I don't have a multi commercial...does that mean I cannot accept a job flying passengers in a Baron for hire?)

I do have a SEL commercial rating, so I guess I can do passengers in a Cessna 210 for example.

No where on my certificate says that I have private privileges. Is it assumed that since I have an ATP I can do regular private flying?

If someone asked to see my private pilot cert, I wouldn't have anything to show them.

Also, applications are asking for my certificate numbers for private and commercial. I got those back in the 80's when they used your SSN as your certificate number. For job application purposes, should I list my original certificate numbers for private & commercial on my application (which is my ssn)

Sorry for all the questions, but I haven't thought about this stuff in many years. Maybe some of the younger flight instructors out there will know.

Thanks!

MF

JohnBurke

There is one pilot certificate issued. It may be issued at various levels, each with accordant privileges. You hold the highest level, and it includes privileges for each level of certification below, provided your are appropriately rated (category, class, and as applicable, type).

For example, if you hold an ATP with multi-engine land privileges and no other certification, then you have commercial privileges and private privileges (each lesser levels of privilege), but only in multi-engine land aircraft. You can't fly a multi-engine sea airplane privately, or a single engine airplane on charter, because you're not rated for them. You can take a job doing charter in a Baron, or go rent a Seneca, however, all you want.

Sure you would. You'd show them your pilot certificate. You're a pilot, and they're asking to see your pilot certificate.

It's entirely possible to have various levels of certification. One may have ATP airplane multi engine land, but commercial airplane single engine sea, for example. One holds a pilot certificate with ATP privileges in the multi, and in that case is limited to commercial privileges in single engine sea airplanes. If that same person has listed on the same pilot certificate (only one pilot certificate, multiple levels of privilege) private pilot, helicopter...then that person is still an ATP in multi engine land airplanes, still a commercial pilot in single engine sea airplanes, but has only private pilot privileges in helicopters.

If that same individual obtains ATP privileges in the helicopter, his certificate will reflect that...but he still has all lesser privileges (private pilot, for example), because he holds a higher level of pilot certification.

Your pilot certificate (there's only one) doesn't need to list lesser privileges, unless that's the extend of your privilege in that category/class/type.

I have a fist full of different FAA certificates. All my pilot privileges are on one. All my maintenance privileges on another. All my instructor privileges on another, and so on. Each one is all-on one, however. As an aircraft mechanic, for example, I'm not an A&P. I'm not an airframe mechanic, or a powerplant mechanic....I'm a mechanic, period...with airframe privileges and powerplant privileges.

Same for pilot certification. You're not an ATP or a commercial or anything else...you're a pilot with ATP privileges (and any lesser privleges for which you hold category/class/type.

Do not list your social security number. That is no longer your pilot certificate number. You do not have an ATP certificate, nor a commercial certificate, nor a private certificate. You have a pilot certificate with ATP privileges (and by default, commercial and private privileges). You have one pilot certificate number, regardless of how much certification or what level of certification you may have. List your pilot certificate number...the one you have now.

727CA

Wow John, thanks for taking the time to answer...that clears it up.

JohnBurke

No worries.

I understand completely about things one hasn't dealt with for a long time. I recall being asked in an interview what my score was for the ATP written. I took mine back when they still were written tests. I told the interviewer that I had no idea...couldn't remember. The interviewer was incredulous; he couldn't seem to fathom that someone didn't have their old ATP score tattoo'd on their forehead, I suppose.

I think you'll find that when an employer in the 135 world sees your ATP, he or she won't ask any questions. However, if pilot certificate numbers are required for you private or commercial, just put down your current certificate number...list the same number for the private, commercial and ATP. You'll probably be submitting a copy of your pilot certificate anyway, which will clear up any possible misunderstanding that anyone might have.

Twin Wasp

61.113 says a private pilot can be PIC but not for hire, 61.133 says a commercial pilot can be PIC for hire and 61.167 says an ATP has the same privileges as a commercial with an instrument rating.

It seems like like a lot of the application forms are designed for entry level pilots and don't make a lot of since once you've hit the ATP level.