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Old 08-08-2013, 10:43 AM   #1  
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I have a BFR in a few weeks and the CFII mentioned that we'd be doing stalls while in a turn. All of the power on/off stuff I've done to date has been in a straight line. I understand the importance of this maneuver as it's most likely going to happen in the pattern down low turning base to final in a xwind.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what to expect. Recovery will be same, just with the addition of leveling the wings, right? This is my 6th BFR and like I said, the first time stalls during a turn. I see in the PTS that there is a mention of bank angle less than 20 degrees during the stall series, so it's been around.



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I have a BFR in a few weeks and the CFII mentioned that we'd be doing stalls while in a turn. All of the power on/off stuff I've done to date has been in a straight line. I understand the imporatance of this manouver as it's most likely going to happen in the pattern down low turning base to final in a xwind.

I'm just trying to get a feel of what to expect. Recovery will be same, just with the addition of leveling the wings, right? This is my 6th BFR and like I said, the first time stalls during a turn. I see in the PTS that there is a mention of bank angle less than 20 degrees during the stall series, so it's been around.



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I've been doing three types of stalls since I began my civvie training.
Clean stall - straight ahead
Approach turn stall - left or right
Dirty stall (landing config w/full flaps)

...and yes - level the wings.

We were discussing recently on the forum the changes in the stall series training (altitude loss being the major point), but also the use of the autopilot.
For the first time recently we left the AP on during the clean stall. Usually we quit trimming near 140 kts, but obviously the AP kept trimming until I clicked it off as the first item in the stall recovery procedure. That was a lot more trim to overcome and still try and maintain any sort of altitude control; but I am less concerned with the altitude loss and resport back to my other training priorities of breaking the AoA.

Good luck with the BFR 73M
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Stay coordinated and that will be a big help. If you enter into a stall from a right skidding turn, things will get more difficult for you. In that instance the inside wing will drop and it will appear more dramatic and attention gaining.

If you keep the plane perfectly coordinated (as you should anyway) the recovery will be very basic as you have always learned. Concentrate on the first issue which is the stall and the fix, lessening the angle of attack. Once you have the wing flying again, you can then get the wings level if they are not already there.
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The previous posters gave good advice. Keep the Ball CENTERED!

Remember this:

Stall + Yaw = Spin

See FAA Advisory Circular AC 120-109 for the latest information regarding Stall and Stick Pusher Training (One result of the Colgan Accident).
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1. Stay coordinated, as in any stall
2. AILERONS NEUTRAL - you will only worsen the stall if you try to move the yoke in the opposite direction.
3. Use opposite rudder.

Here's a good video:

Turning Stalls - YouTube
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Thanks Marines (and Perf+dl - you posted while I was responding)!

I figured keeping the ball centered was going to be even more critical. Looking forward to the flight. It's been a while since I've done some unusual attitudes - always fun.

The CFI is part of the Naval Operations Support Center here. I guess a squid can fly

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1. Stay coordinated, as in any stall
2. AILERONS NEUTRAL - you will only worsen the stall if you try to move the yoke in the opposite direction.
3. Use opposite rudder.

Here's a good video:

Turning Stalls - YouTube
Nice video. Thanks that helps alot.

Not that it matters, but this will be my 9th BFR. Getting old (and public math) sucks.

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If you keep the ball centered during a stall, you will NOT spin. Remember that and you'll be fine
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1. Stay coordinated, as in any stall
2. AILERONS NEUTRAL - you will only worsen the stall if you try to move the yoke in the opposite direction.
3. Use opposite rudder.
Nothing would make me cringe more than when someone would trying to yank in a bunch of opposite rudder when the wing dropped. Most people literally think "push the opposite rudder to the floor". Oh great, now we're yawing in the opposite direction. Kinda reminds me of trying to enter a spin...
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Just some quick words though: the ball tells you what has already happened
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