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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 88306)
Joe logs 1.0 TT, 0.7 simulated IFR, the approache(s) and the LDG.
Jack logs 0.7 TT. |
Originally Posted by Shaun
(Post 88325)
As I understand, both log PIC as well assuming that both are rated in the airplane, right?
Correct. The SP must be rated in the airplane. |
Shaun,
Get some clarification from your local FSDO. I'm in the rare minority that have a friendly POI that is more than happy to discuss and explain his interpretation of regs with me on a regular basis. This is the way it was explained to me when I asked: Safety pilot is the only time when an aircraft that only requires one crew member is legally required to have two crew members. The pilot under the foggles is still PIC, since he is sole manipulator. As safety pilot, you are not manipulating controls, but a legally-required crew member so you can log the time but you are not the PIC. I don't safety pilot very often so I usually don't log it unless I'm in a twin. Even then I only add it to my total time, not PIC. |
If you read the FARs it says you are allowed to log the time as safety pilot as SIC, since you become a ''required crewmember" for the type of operation conducted.
Having said that, I never log the time as SIC since you might go to an interview where a captain who does not fully understand the FARs (or interprets them HIS own way) will not like to see SIC time in a seminole, although it is legal. |
Ok here's another bit to throw into the mix.
Lifeguard flight in an aircraft requiring only one crew. The non profit company for what ever purpose requires two crew. So does the co-pilot log SIC time? |
No. Insurance requirements and regulation are two totally different things that have nothing to do with each other.
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Originally Posted by avi8tor4life
(Post 89321)
Ok here's another bit to throw into the mix.
Lifeguard flight in an aircraft requiring only one crew. The non profit company for what ever purpose requires two crew. So does the co-pilot log SIC time? NO NO NO. Insurance requirements, company policies, local laws, etc that require an "SIC" do not create a valid FAA (or airline) justification to log it. Anyone who tells you othewise is either an idiot or trying to sell you some "SIC time". The only exception is an aircraft that is certified for single-pilot but is operated under a 135/121 certificate that specifies two pilots for the operation conducted. OPSPECs are FAA documents, so it is legitimate in that case. A non-profit probably does not have a 135/121 certificate, but if they do, you can log it. |
Originally Posted by Pilotpip
(Post 88986)
Shaun,
Get some clarification from your local FSDO. I'm in the rare minority that have a friendly POI that is more than happy to discuss and explain his interpretation of regs with me on a regular basis. This is the way it was explained to me when I asked: Safety pilot is the only time when an aircraft that only requires one crew member is legally required to have two crew members. The pilot under the foggles is still PIC, since he is sole manipulator. As safety pilot, you are not manipulating controls, but a legally-required crew member so you can log the time but you are not the PIC. I don't safety pilot very often so I usually don't log it unless I'm in a twin. Even then I only add it to my total time, not PIC. I'll have to re-read the regs on that, I always logged it as PIC. |
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