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KC10 FATboy 10-22-2013 10:59 PM

Dave Ramsey says NO to Aviation Degrees/Loans
 
I posted this video for those who are considering going into debt for an aviation degree.


satpak77 10-23-2013 06:51 AM

no link posted

seoceancrosser 10-23-2013 07:06 AM

$200,000.00 seems like a little excessive estimate to get all your ratings. I do agree with the principle though, a six figure investment followed by many years of poverty pay is silly.

kingsnake2 10-23-2013 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by seoceancrosser (Post 1506468)
$200,000.00 seems like a little excessive estimate to get all your ratings. I do agree with the principle though, a six figure investment followed by many years of poverty pay is silly.

I think the $200,000 is for 4 years of college at $50,000/year.

MrMustache 10-23-2013 08:10 AM

This is great.

crewman 10-23-2013 08:25 AM

Very true,

KC10 FATboy 10-23-2013 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by satpak77 (Post 1506461)
no link posted

It is an embedded YouTube link which may not show up for some using the app. Here's the link.

http://youtu.be/k-YlE6xqWfk

piper338 10-23-2013 10:29 AM

Dave Ramsey says NO to Aviation Degrees/Loans
 
Love it, Dave gets it.

CRM114 10-23-2013 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by piper338 (Post 1506566)
Love it, Dave gets it.


Huh?


...Most pilots would fly for free...
I don't think Dave does get it. How many of you would put up with the BS that is the aviation industry for free? Not me!

I do agree that anyone that assumes a 6 figure debt for a job that pays peanuts at the regionals is stupid. Parents who co-sign the loans, equally stupid.

KC10 FATboy 10-23-2013 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1506592)
Huh?



I don't think Dave does get it. How many of you would put up with the BS that is the aviation industry for free? Not me!

I do agree that anyone that assumes a 6 figure debt for a job that pays peanuts at the regionals is stupid. Parents who co-sign the loans, equally stupid.

Did you listen to the video (audio)? According to your comments, you agree with Dave's opinion.

CRM114 10-23-2013 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 1506615)
Did you listen to the video (audio)? According to your comments, you agree with Dave's opinion.


Yes I did, in his remarks he said "that there's nothing pilots would rather do than fly", he went on to say "that pilots would fly for free".

I disagree with that.

KC10 FATboy 10-23-2013 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1506623)
Yes I did, in his remarks he said "that there's nothing pilots would rather do than fly", he went on to say "that pilots would fly for free".

I disagree with that.

I think he was being facetious. However, working for 20 grand is about the same as working for free.

I think you misunderstood his point. And I think he is 100% correct. Way too many people are willing to work for peanuts in this industry.

ChiMo 10-25-2013 05:30 PM

I wish someone had told me that about 14 years ago when I was deciding if i wanted to be a pilot or a doctor.

sevenforseven 10-26-2013 01:10 PM

There's always risk. I don't see any difference in taking out a student loan to go through college and then struggling to find a job. Aviation can be tough; some people make it and some don't. Better to do something you love then something you hate.

sevenforseven 10-26-2013 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by CRM114 (Post 1506623)
Yes I did, in his remarks he said "that there's nothing pilots would rather do than fly", he went on to say "that pilots would fly for free".

I disagree with that.

Yeah that's kind of an extreme statement.

outaluckagain 10-26-2013 10:33 PM

Extreme?
 

Originally Posted by sevenforseven (Post 1508149)
Yeah that's kind of an extreme statement.


Maybe not so extreme as some may think. There was an airline called Gulfstream that charged First Officers nearly 20K to fly right seat. In the airline's early years, the FO was sitting in aircraft not requiring an FO at all. These pilots were not initially paid. That may have changed later though.
The fact that some will make it and others won't relates more towards the financial aspects of the profession rather than what be be implied towards the effort a person may commit.

ChiMo 10-27-2013 03:38 AM


Originally Posted by outaluckagain (Post 1508326)
Maybe not so extreme as some may think. There was an airline called Gulfstream that charged First Officers nearly 20K to fly right seat. In the airline's early years, the FO was sitting in aircraft not requiring an FO at all. These pilots were not initially paid. That may have changed later though.
The fact that some will make it and others won't relates more towards the financial aspects of the profession rather than what be be implied towards the effort a person may commit.

They got bought out and are now Silver. Also they don't do that anymore.

nyhelopilot 10-27-2013 02:35 PM

I agree that Dave Ramsey tends to make extreme statements, and likes to be dramatic. However, he has a valid argument about going into deep debt for years. It's also sad that an entry level truck driver earns more than an entry level pilot.


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