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Old 01-09-2014, 04:04 PM
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Hey everyone, I had an interview at aviator college down in fort pierce, Fl Monday. I can say it went well and everyone there had a great attitude and it was like they wanted you to be there. I did find out that it was a contract CFI job. I've heard negative things about contract cfi jobs but with me never flight instructing before I'm not really sure what it's about or if I would get the short end of the stick, or etc. I do know that there is no benefits, no pay for pre or post flight, and the guy said I would be responsible for my own taxes. Heck I can barely get someone else to do my taxes the right way. I was just wondering could someone give me some insight on contract CFI jobs, if anyone has any experience with them. Thanks!!!
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And also pay is $20
Per flight hr
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Old 01-09-2014, 05:37 PM
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I have not been a contract CFI. Don't look at it from that perspective. Think of yourself as an independent contractor in industry X. Since you can't (can you?) change the pay rate, find a side hustle to make more money and get really smart on being self-employed. A number of my instructors in the past have been part time or contract. It's usually nice to have a different perspective from someone who doesn't spend everyday in a cockpit.

The only thing I would be wary of is the lack of pay for pre or post flight. That stinks of poor management and other ways you will be screwed.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:28 PM
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It's quite difficult to be a contract CFI under US labor laws, unless you are supplying the office and the airplane. Otherwise, you are a statutory employee.

A contractor must supply the bulk of the contracted services (value to the customer). And not derive the majority of his pay from one source. A contractor would also take the majority of the hourly rate charged to the customer. Such as 80 percent or more. This allows the contractor to pay his own withholding, advertising, and professional services liability insurance. I don't see how you can do that on $20 hourly.
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Here's a good article. Keep in mind that anyone can report a business that "isn't following the rules" and it will have to be investigated.

Are your CFIs employed as independent contractors?

By: Terra Evans

Are your CFIs employees or independent contractors? If you think you know the answer, read on because you may realize that the Internal Revenue Service would not agree with you if an auditor showed up at your door.

The majority of flight schools prefer an arrangement with instructors that categorize them as independent contractors. When done properly, a school can usually save money because they don’t have to withhold deductions, pay worker’s compensation insurance, or employment taxes (Social Security and Medicare tax on wages).

In recent years, the IRS has intensified its scrutiny of the role of employees versus independent contractors. If the IRS finds you misclassified an employee as an independent contractor, the tax consequences, penalties, and legal fees for defending your case for both you and the CFI could be a financial fiasco.

While there is nothing wrong in choosing to have your CFIs as independent contractors, it can become a problem when a flight school fails to correctly establish the working relationship out of the gate. If you issue a Form 1099 to your instructors, it would be in your best interest to standardize a method by which these instructors should be treated so as to minimize confusion among staff. The mere language or treatment of an independent contractor by an employee of the school, for instance, could be enough for an IRS auditor to deem that CFI as an employee.

$20 would be pretty decent for a non-contract CFI.

Though a flight school should have a written agreement with a CFI that clearly spells out the relationship as that of business-independent contractor for multiple business records, that agreement alone will not be enough to convince an IRS auditor.

Some of the most obvious factors that an IRS auditor may look for in his investigation are often those easily overlooked or considered trivial to an operation as a whole. For instance, do you require that all “staff” attend regular meetings? If so, make sure this does not include any worker classified as an independent contractor. You should merely extend an invitation to them instead. Do you provide business cards with your logo or school name to your CFIs with their names imprinted? You shouldn’t, but if you are adamant about them having cards, ask the CFI to fill out the order form, making sure to include on the card that they are an independent instructor, a personal telephone or email address in addition to the school’s, and to pay for the printing of the cards. Have a website? Make sure that any CFI featured on it—or in any advertising—is indicated as an independent instructor.

One of the most glaring factors the IRS considers is whether or not the business is controlling the behavior of how a worker performs his job. In other words, what will be done and how it will be done cannot be controlled by the business. One method IRS auditors use is to scrutinize your school’s teaching and training methods, which makes flight schools particularly vulnerable. Since CFIs ebb and flow and are sometimes given to leaving on a moment’s notice based on airline hiring surges, many schools try to standardize methods by which students learn so that the successor CFI knows exactly where the last one left off. Be aware, however, that by requiring CFIs to conform to a prescribed syllabus or a set of instructional materials, you’ve usurped control over how your contractor does his job.

Other significant factors that an IRS auditor may deem as those of an employee are signs of regularity, such as a fixed schedule, or a set amount of pay. The most egregious error a flight school can make, however, is if a CFI on status as an independent contractor is forbidden to provide services to anyone outside of the operation. That fact alone will usually prompt an IRS auditor to classify the worker as an employee, regardless of all other factors.

If you classify any workers as independent contractors, you can find more complete details and information about the regulations directly on the IRS website, Independent Contractor (Self-Employed) or Employee ? Being prepared and organizing these records now will help ensure that your business doesn’t receive any unwelcome surprises that you’re not equipped and enabled to handle.
Furthermore, $20 is too little for a contract CFI. If you are a contract CFI, responsible for your own benefits, you need to be paid more on the order of $40/hr. The more inexperienced CFIs earn less of course, but the difference between a school charging $50/hr and paying the instructor $20 went to paying all of the benefits, which is the way it works, so as a "contract" employee, you are supposed to be able to earn enough to pay for your OWN benefits, just not necessarily on an "insurance" or "regular work" basis, due to the nature of contract work. A school that actually provides benefits does not pocket the $30 difference, they maybe pocket $10 of profit from that $50 (likely less, but still somewhere around there I'd imagine based on the profit from rental rates, which is also not huge). In this case though, if they are going to pay you $20 as a "contract" instructor, they are going to pocket the full difference of course. I'd be interested to see if they charge a little less for oral instruction and more for the airplane though to maximize their "take". The last thing is to make sure you get paid for work. If you are there responsible for the student's safety, overseeing them, or teaching them something, you should be paid for it. If you do not stand up to people early on, it's going to be a dire career. That doesn't mean get fired, but so many people refuse to do anything and just "deal with it" or "move on" without ever voicing what is wrong. Charge time while the student is preflighting and you are sipping coffee? Probably not. Charge time for pre and post-brief and all necessary time spent on the ramp? Absolutely. You are not "just getting enough hours to move on", because every single employer will take advantage of that kind of attitude. Plenty of retired military pilots at major airlines do just fine and don't have to worry all that much about money, just all the cool stuff and kids they are able to feed, but the ones that want to make it a good place to work care about how they are treated and paid, they also tend to be the ones that provide good work and care about their job. The ones that don't care and just want to get paid for a minimum of work have a problem motivating themselves to take any kind of a stand for anything.

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@ Toonces, Yes I was kind of thinking the same thing, going to instruct on the side, or at an FBO or something to bring in some extra money. @ Philiplane & JamesNoBrakes, yea once i found out it was a contactor job and did a little mental math it seems like it would be real tight financially, with having to provide my own benefits, and now even if I decide to go without any benfits I would end up being penalized and having to pay anyway. As a pilot I would rather have it just in case something happens and I end up having to see a doctor before I can get a medical renewed or anything like that. On top of that also having to take out a little every pay check to save up for taxes at the end of the year (god knows how much that may be). It seems like by the time it's all said and done I would be making just about 10 bucks an hour, and shoot i'm making more than that now loading mail into ULD cans. Like I said before the people there are very nice and welcoming, and i'm not gonna ask for some ridicolous pay rate as I understand this is aviation and no one is gonna get rich, but I can't sell myself short, and be walked over. I still have a couple of days to think it over, but im sort of thinking of applying at F.I.T or maybe Flight Safety Vero Beach. Also, does anyone in the forums happen to work at either of these two places? I seen a Flight Instructor position at F.I.T, but it was a posistion down in Panama (the country), and looking at some past post it seem like Flight Safety wasn't all it's cracked up to bem but these were post from 2008 and 2010.
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