Training -12.5K plane non-typed in left seat
05-05-2014, 11:46 AM
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Training -12.5K plane non-typed in left seat
Scenario, I want to know if it is legal. I think it is "gray area"
Part 91 op. Company instructor pilot ("IP") and "Captain" with ATP/MEI and B350 type desires to sit in right seat of B350, an aircraft requiring a type rating. Company instructor pilot has type.
Multi-engine Commercial non-ATP, no type rating, employed as "copilot" at same Part 91 flight department, will sit in "Pilot Seat" (left seat) on training flights while IP above sits right seat and conducts instruction.
This is Part 91 op, no special training sign-offs or whatever designations FlightSafety/Simuflite hold from FAA.
It has been discussed that this may not be technically legal, as Beech designates the left seat as the "Pilot" seat and thus, the guy physically in that seat (internal company designation not important, copilot or captain) from an FAA standpoint, needs to hold a type rating. Also, some of the emergency procedures, to include gear extention handle use, assumes a trained (typed) pilot in left seat.
Yes, I know "well how do you even get a type" but I believe FlightSafety/Simuflight sim training is a different animal than a Part 91 department in the real airplane. I could be wrong !!!! I am open to being wrong....
Hypothetical company has done this before but someone brought up FAA and insurance company's "view" of this if an incident happened that they said, (Office Space voice) "uuhhhhh, yeeaahhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhh I am gonna have to have an issue with that"
Can anyone share their input on this ? FAR references/etc ?
Thanks guys
Part 91 op. Company instructor pilot ("IP") and "Captain" with ATP/MEI and B350 type desires to sit in right seat of B350, an aircraft requiring a type rating. Company instructor pilot has type.
Multi-engine Commercial non-ATP, no type rating, employed as "copilot" at same Part 91 flight department, will sit in "Pilot Seat" (left seat) on training flights while IP above sits right seat and conducts instruction.
This is Part 91 op, no special training sign-offs or whatever designations FlightSafety/Simuflite hold from FAA.
It has been discussed that this may not be technically legal, as Beech designates the left seat as the "Pilot" seat and thus, the guy physically in that seat (internal company designation not important, copilot or captain) from an FAA standpoint, needs to hold a type rating. Also, some of the emergency procedures, to include gear extention handle use, assumes a trained (typed) pilot in left seat.
Yes, I know "well how do you even get a type" but I believe FlightSafety/Simuflight sim training is a different animal than a Part 91 department in the real airplane. I could be wrong !!!! I am open to being wrong....
Hypothetical company has done this before but someone brought up FAA and insurance company's "view" of this if an incident happened that they said, (Office Space voice) "uuhhhhh, yeeaahhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhh I am gonna have to have an issue with that"
Can anyone share their input on this ? FAR references/etc ?
Thanks guys
05-05-2014, 12:22 PM
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The designation of the seat doesn't matter. If there was a requirement for the pilot to be in the left seat, it would state so in the AFM (think Piper Cub requiring the pilot sit in the rear seat for solo flights).
Even Cessnas term the left seat the pilot seat and the right a passenger seat. Doesn't stop plenty of instructors from sitting right seat, or you or I from just hopping in the right seat and going flying.
Plenty of 135 ops that do in-aircraft training for typed airplanes with the only typed pilot sitting in the right seat (Metros, 1900s, etc). Flyright and Simcom I believe both offer in-aircraft training for typed birds.
Even Cessnas term the left seat the pilot seat and the right a passenger seat. Doesn't stop plenty of instructors from sitting right seat, or you or I from just hopping in the right seat and going flying.
Plenty of 135 ops that do in-aircraft training for typed airplanes with the only typed pilot sitting in the right seat (Metros, 1900s, etc). Flyright and Simcom I believe both offer in-aircraft training for typed birds.
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