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ClarenceOver 07-30-2014 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by outaluckagain (Post 1695846)
The training will have to be provided on a continous basis without exception. With this many pilots required, it may be to the regional's advantage to provide the training.

I am really hoping that people wise up and don't pay for what should be required as a condition before a pilot may fly the line rather than conditional for employment.

If the training is so important, and I believe it is, then it should be required as part of the regional's training program.

its already in the works. the atp will become valuable and this profession will be back where it belongs. hopefully most regionals fold on top of each other and are gone with only a few left.

outaluckagain 07-30-2014 10:58 PM

Sure
 

Originally Posted by ClarenceOver (Post 1695852)
its already in the works. the atp will become valuable and this profession will be back where it belongs. hopefully most regionals fold on top of each other and are gone with only a few left.

So, you are saying you are sure of it? Regionals are going to provide this advanced ATP-CTP course.

Regionals failing will mean years of pilots on the streets...no?

biigD 07-30-2014 11:24 PM

I've been out of this loop for a long time so forgive my ignorance, but regionals have to provide full types to new hires anyway. Why would including the ATP be a big deal? At least back in my day, the ATP and an initial type ride was essentially the same thing. I don't remember spending any extra time in the sim, at least. Has that all changed?

ClarenceOver 07-30-2014 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by outaluckagain (Post 1695854)
So, you are saying you are sure of it? Regionals are going to provide this advanced ATP-CTP course.

Regionals failing will mean years of pilots on the streets...no?

not sure ofit. but its likely. there are always pilots on the streets. if you want to see pilots on the streets wait til the economy collapses.

ClarenceOver 07-30-2014 11:30 PM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 1695861)
I've been out of this loop for a long time so forgive my ignorance, but regionals have to provide full types to new hires anyway. Why would including the ATP be a big deal? At least back in my day, the ATP and an initial type ride was essentially the same thing. I don't remember spending any extra time in the sim, at least. Has that all changed?

its not a big deal. you only need atp mins. you get your type in the sim

DL31082 07-31-2014 04:44 AM

running out of time for the ATP written
 
I know ExpressJet is going to provide this for new hires. If and when we hire again.

Flightcap 07-31-2014 05:21 AM

IMHO, the law was written with a quality new-hire training process in mind. The lawmakers envisioned airlines following suit and getting their new-hire class certified as an ATP-CTP. However, there are still 24 months to go before the last of the pilots who took their ATP written before the deadline will need a new test. The airlines aren't feeling the full pressure of this new law yet. I think they eventually will feel that pressure and most will make their new-hire program ATP-CTP capable.

outaluckagain 08-05-2014 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by Flightcap (Post 1695928)
IMHO, the law was written with a quality new-hire training process in mind. The lawmakers envisioned airlines following suit and getting their new-hire class certified as an ATP-CTP. However, there are still 24 months to go before the last of the pilots who took their ATP written before the deadline will need a new test. The airlines aren't feeling the full pressure of this new law yet. I think they eventually will feel that pressure and most will make their new-hire program ATP-CTP capable.

This is what I gathered from all that I read on the topic. Having the pilot pay for it will not ensure quality.

PNW pilot 09-07-2014 02:47 PM

My own fault for not realizing the deadline, but what about expired ATP writtens, do they prove any adequate endorsement status or past 121 experience ?

Twin Wasp 09-08-2014 03:25 AM

No, the FAA put a use by date on the old expired tests and started over again on August 1 if you want an ATP-ME. If all you want is a SE or Helo rating you're still good to go. See 61.39(b) and (c).


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