Help: ATP SEL no need for multi written?
 

I have my ATP written but it will expire next month. I don't want to spend $3k plus for multi ATP. I have access to single engine for cost of fuel. Can I take ATP single engine and later add ATP multi without doing another written?

Or let's say I apply for regional with Single Engine ATP. How would new ATP written rule(Aug 1st) affect me?

I ask because I heard a rumor that multi and single will have a different written soon.

It would be great if I can take ATP single and just add ATP multi at regional in the future or when I have extra $.

Thanks!

If you do this, you'd have to do the ATP CTP course, which is around $5K. After the course, you can then take the multi-engine written and then take the ATP add-on for multi. Regionals are trying to get their own course up and running but no one has indicated they'll get it soon. There's still a lot of unknowns with how the CTP and regional new hire will work.

I heard there are only 3 programs with an approved class. I'm amazed it's only $5k. I'd do the MEL now if there was any way to do it.

Two of the approved programs are 4 year degree programs at Embry Riddle. They cost a whole lot more than 5K. The one stand alone program is run by Sporty's, the same folks that send you a catalog every few months. The people saying it would cost 15K-20K didn't have a clue. Figure an instructor is getting 200 a day for the classroom so 800. Bump it up some for the sim day and call it 1500 for the week. I'll bet the sim, an old DC-9, is costing them $500 an hour. So 6500 to run the class. Two students will pay 9K, so you have 2500 to pay the light bill for the room and profit.

61.165(c) lays out adding a ME to an ATP under the new rules. There's no just pass a checkride to do the add on anymore.

If song man already has his multi and ATP written done, it seems he could and would be better off taking the ATP Checkride now, before his written expires. Isn't that the point of having the knowledge test passed prior to the cutoff date? If he waits then it will be the say, 5K, course plus the traditional prep and Check ride. I was under the impression that those who got the written out of the way could still take the original route to the ATP. Or am I missing something?

You may take the ATP practical now, and you may do it in a single engine land airplane, if you wish. If you intend to add an airplane multi engine land rating to your ATP certificate later, however, the eligibility requirements of 14 CFR 61.165 apply:

§61.165 Additional aircraft category and class ratings.

(c) Airplane category rating with a multiengine class rating. A person applying for an airline transport certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating who holds an airline transport certificate with another aircraft category rating must:

(1) Meet the eligibility requirements of §61.153 of this part;

(2) After July 31, 2014, successfully complete the airline transport pilot certification training program specified in §61.156;

(3) Pass a knowledge test for an airplane category multiengine class rating or type rating on the aeronautical knowledge areas of §61.155(c);

(4) Comply with the requirements in §61.157(b) of this part, if appropriate;

(5) Meet the aeronautical experience requirements of §61.159 or §61.160; and

(6) Pass the practical test on the areas of operation of §61.157(e)(2) of this part.

I disagree. Section 61.165(f) address this situation specifically:

My interpretation is: if you get your single-engine ATP now, you can add the multi-engine class down the road without completing a CTP. However you will still need to take the new (and improved!) written exam that is specific to multi-engine airplanes.

Anybody disagree?

I heard something similar to the above, provided you took the written prior to July 31, 2014. Also, can someone verify that if you have the written done and work for a 135 operator, the written doesn't expire?


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Your right, it is (f) and not (c) if you already hold the ATP SE. However, to take the ME ATP written, you'll have to complete the CTP per 61.153.

Toonces, the FAA ended that exemption for pre August writtens.

Whoops. You're right.