Which to Choose? ATP or Aerosim ???
04-02-2015, 07:05 AM
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Which to Choose? ATP or Aerosim ???
Does anyone have any experience, or first-hand knowledge of either "ATP Flight School" (Jacksonville, or Daytona) or "Aerosim Flight Academy" (Sanford, FL)?
Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.
He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.
Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.
He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.
Thank yous!
Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.
He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.
Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.
He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.
Thank yous!
04-02-2015, 07:51 AM
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I visited both ATP and Aerosim, neither had high pressure sales teams.
Get the instrument rating from a reputable place (not ATP) and then go wherever for the CPL. Just make sure the place also offers CFI initials.
Look up FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach, too. Much better company than Aerosim and they will treat you better as a customer and as a CFI. Don't expect fast track here, though. You can fast track if you fast track yourself.
Get the instrument rating from a reputable place (not ATP) and then go wherever for the CPL. Just make sure the place also offers CFI initials.
Look up FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach, too. Much better company than Aerosim and they will treat you better as a customer and as a CFI. Don't expect fast track here, though. You can fast track if you fast track yourself.
04-02-2015, 08:28 AM
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Have you considered US Aviation Academy? If you give me his total hours I would be happy to quote either Part 141 or Part 61 Instrument training all the way through MEI if they would like. Most students go through CFII and get the MEI later.
I believe we can be quite competitive on price compared to both of these companies and US Aviation is always hiring more instructors.
I believe we can be quite competitive on price compared to both of these companies and US Aviation is always hiring more instructors.
04-02-2015, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Does anyone have any experience, or first-hand knowledge of either "ATP Flight School" (Jacksonville, or Daytona) or "Aerosim Flight Academy" (Sanford, FL)?
Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.
He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.
Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.
He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.
Thank yous!
Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.
He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.
Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.
He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.
Thank yous!
Take in consideration your CFI's. ATP gives them as a bundle or you can get them separately from ATP too for around $10K. Try to find anything cheaper and MUCH faster and you will see that there is nothing to compare.
04-02-2015, 10:57 AM
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I will tell what if you want to get it done quick then go with ATPs. Your lisence will look the same as anyone's. Time is money.
I got all my tickets from ATP except my CFI's because I ran out of money. I had to pay my bills back in CO while I was getting my tickets in Jax. I am trying to get my CFI, CFII & MEI now but I don't where yet since I have family and business to take care of too.
I got all my tickets from ATP except my CFI's because I ran out of money. I had to pay my bills back in CO while I was getting my tickets in Jax. I am trying to get my CFI, CFII & MEI now but I don't where yet since I have family and business to take care of too.
04-02-2015, 12:03 PM
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Time is money, but keep in mind the reverse is also true. Is it worth paying $10-20,000 more to save 3-5 months? Judging from the OP, I would guess that US Aviation could do a IR-MEI course for around $15-20,000 less than ATP including housing, books, checkrides, etc.
04-02-2015, 10:33 PM
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The ATP course DOES NOT include lodging or checkrides and no materials except the supplements they give you for the seminole and Cessna or Archer.... The only thing you are paying for is the opportunity to get it done quickly which is great but the costs are considerably high. A side note, yes they fly a lot obviously but from my experience and especially depending on training location most likely maintenance issues or over scheduling will prevent you from flying everyday. I'm not saying maintenance is bad, I'm saying the planes are old at a lot of locations and they fly a lot... When they break maintenance is good. Newer planes vary by location so you may want to consider that as well since you're paying a premium to pay for the newer models they are currently purchasing whether you pick to fly them or not.
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