VA Changing the rules for flight training
#21
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A lot of us have made sacrifices in a lot of different ways.
Let's not forget that the military pilot has all his training paid for and lives his career at a substantially higher pay with greater benefits than any equivalent civil position, particularly with regard to the level of experience and time in service.
The civil pilot, in the meantime, has paid for his own training, and his military counterpart's training, and for the service member separating and using the GI bill, that person's flight training, too.
A police officer and a firefighter spend their careers for far less money, putting their lives on the line. Nobody offers them flight training as a perk. On and on it goes. Everyone else has to foot the bill for their own training, and scratch their own career out of the rock.
A year of overseas deployment isn't exactly a hardship.
As for contractor v. military; yes, there is a difference. The service member gets a flag on his coffin.
Let's not forget that the military pilot has all his training paid for and lives his career at a substantially higher pay with greater benefits than any equivalent civil position, particularly with regard to the level of experience and time in service.
The civil pilot, in the meantime, has paid for his own training, and his military counterpart's training, and for the service member separating and using the GI bill, that person's flight training, too.
A police officer and a firefighter spend their careers for far less money, putting their lives on the line. Nobody offers them flight training as a perk. On and on it goes. Everyone else has to foot the bill for their own training, and scratch their own career out of the rock.
A year of overseas deployment isn't exactly a hardship.
As for contractor v. military; yes, there is a difference. The service member gets a flag on his coffin.
I will trade my 3.5 years living in Afghanistan and Iraq to your "overseas" away from the family work in Italy or Thailand or wherever your "hardship" was any day.
#22
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I was in the military and received no flight training. Do you think it is the pilots of the military using the post 9/11 GI bill for this purpose? If so, you are significantly misinformed. Most of them have enough hours to get hired right away. I am starting from scratch.
I will trade my 3.5 years living in Afghanistan and Iraq to your "overseas" away from the family work in Italy or Thailand or wherever your "hardship" was any day.
I will trade my 3.5 years living in Afghanistan and Iraq to your "overseas" away from the family work in Italy or Thailand or wherever your "hardship" was any day.
#23
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I spent five years between Iraq and Afghanistan. I never cried hardship.
I'll still end up paying for your flight training, too. Go figure.
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#26
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I for one have no problem with the fact that I helped pay for our military pilots to get training so that I can be protected. I also have no problem knowing that I am helping some of our veterans become civilian pilots.
Sure... everybody pays with either time or money and it's true that civilians (who have never served) pay for every active duty pilot and returning vet to be trained in addition their own education. However, military personnel aren't exempt from paying taxes...unless they're deployed to combat.
I am truly grateful that I was able to utilize the gibill for my training. Im not sure how I would have been able to be where I am today.
Sure... everybody pays with either time or money and it's true that civilians (who have never served) pay for every active duty pilot and returning vet to be trained in addition their own education. However, military personnel aren't exempt from paying taxes...unless they're deployed to combat.
I am truly grateful that I was able to utilize the gibill for my training. Im not sure how I would have been able to be where I am today.
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#29
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It's irrelevant because long before I spent time on behalf of the government, I had already obtained flight training on my own.
As for what you could or couldn't do as a fobbit, that's your problem. Don't whine about it here.
Not that it's really your concern, but I lived in a tent, primarily, as well as containerized housing. There was nothing "cushy" about the locations I lived. Is any of that relevant to the discussion? Hardly.
#30
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You read a lot into a single word, don't you?
It's irrelevant because long before I spent time on behalf of the government, I had already obtained flight training on my own.
As for what you could or couldn't do as a fobbit, that's your problem. Don't whine about it here.
Not that it's really your concern, but I lived in a tent, primarily, as well as containerized housing. There was nothing "cushy" about the locations I lived. Is any of that relevant to the discussion? Hardly.
It's irrelevant because long before I spent time on behalf of the government, I had already obtained flight training on my own.
As for what you could or couldn't do as a fobbit, that's your problem. Don't whine about it here.
Not that it's really your concern, but I lived in a tent, primarily, as well as containerized housing. There was nothing "cushy" about the locations I lived. Is any of that relevant to the discussion? Hardly.
As far as whining, the only one whining around here is you about veterans using the post 9/11 GI bill to pay for flight training.
P.S. Stop buying all the **** in the BX!
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