Adding "Traffic" to the last part is optional, but the first one I think definately should be there.

My pet-peeve, is run-on radio calls "Annnnnnnddd XXX traffic downwind" "Anddddddd XXX traffic base" "Annnnnnnnnndddddd xxx traffic final" AH! It drives me nuts!!!!

I pretty much agree with everyone else. Just remember the "5 W's" of making a position report. 1. Who you're talking to 2. who you are 3. where you are 4. what you want or want to do 5. who you're talking to (if no tower or ATC is present)

One thing that has been shunned from the AIM is requesting "Any traffic please advise." This is to help cut down on any unnecessary radio chatter, which is one of my biggest pet peeves coincidently. Usually if I am hearing a lot of chatter on the frequency, I usually very quickly and briefly ask to "cut the chatter" because it is annoying and may prevent someone from making a necessary radio call.

The FCC frequencies designated for air to air comms that can be found in the AIM 4-1-11 Table 4-1-3.

I usually only say traffic once in the beginning and thats it. But its all just personal preference. The important thing is, is that you make good informative radio calls in a clear voice that everyone listening can understand. I hate it when pilots coming into the same airport that I am arriving at and they will make a call and I am still wondering where they are at. On the other hand another pet peeve is when people just get on the radio to hear themself talk. That drives me nuts. :eek:

Listen to www.liveatc.net and make the call backs for all the traffic. It helps.

God I hate that more than anything! Why the heck do some of you people do that? It is so annoying. Completely senseless.

"Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnddd..."

If only there was a way to know what the FAA wanted us to do...

From AIM 4-1-9(g):
6. Recommended self-announce phraseologies: It should be noted that aircraft operating to or from another nearby airport may be making self-announce broadcasts on the same UNICOM or MULTICOM frequency. To help identify one airport from another, the airport name should be spoken at the beginning and end of each self-announce transmission.

(a) Inbound

EXAMPLE-
Strawn traffic, Apache Two Two Five Zulu, (position), (altitude), (descending) or entering downwind/base/final (as appropriate) runway one seven full stop, touch-and-go, Strawn.

Tssk, tssk.


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Don't you know you've spoiled the whole thread? Where is there room for facts when opinions are so valued?

:)



Back to the original post. Toiletduck, the first use of "traffic" is exactly what you said, you are talking to "Del Rio traffic." The second use of "Del Rio" is where you plan to land, distinguishing the Del Rio Runway 13 from any other Rwy 13 that might share the same frequency. The second "traffic" therefore doesn't make sense, and as POPA has shown is not necessary or recommended.


Now, I don't know which use of "traffic" your detractors complained about, but if they were talking about the second one, they were correct. I usually try to consider the possibility that I'm wrong before I pop off on the radio and try to correct someone. That stuff is better contemplated on the ground.


Which part of the AIM did you dig through?




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People who start a radio call with "And" are either a bit older or trained by someone who is a bit older. It was used back when there was about a 3 second pause between the time you pressed the PTT and the time it actually transmitted, "and" happen to fill that gap nicely, so the "and" was never actually transmitted. Nowadays radios have come along way and so people who are still use to doing it the old way will say "and" out of habit, and it will be transmitted.

The other reason for "and" is because the person does not know what they are going to say yet, it acts as a vocalized pause much like "uhhhh".

I still tend to tack on "any traffic please advise" at least to the intial call so as to remind any student pilots that they need to announce themselves before I come blowing through their pattern with my turbojet airliner. Obviously situational judgement is required.

That's where you run up against the AIM again.


4-1-9. Traffic Advisory Practices at Airports Without Operating Control Towers