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Old 09-26-2015, 04:04 PM
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I'm hoping someone on here has a similar background to mine and can help by sharing their experience with me...
All I've ever wanted to do was fly, but after my dad died when I was a teenager I made some bad choices and got arrested a few times. I believe my background shows 3 convictions of possession of marijuana, 1 possession of alcohol, and 2 petty thefts. All of them were over 10 years ago except the last petty theft that is about 7 years ago now. (Also 2 were felonies but dropped down to misdemeanors in court). I also had a bad driving record at that time, but have only had 2 or 3 tickets in the last 10 years.

After turning my life around and getting my head on straight I've decided to live a respectable life and contribute as much back to society as I can to make up for those years when all I did was take and cause trouble. Now I have been working successfully in real estate and living an honest life and I want to pursue my dream of flying. I know the majors are most probably out of the question for me, and that's ok... If I can just be a flight instructor I would be happy to turn that into a career even if I only ever earn $45,000 a year at my peak.

So my concern is the faa medical certificate. It looks like it's going to be pretty hard even just to get my 3rd class medical certificate just because I got caught so many times... does anyone have any experience with getting a medical certificate with more than 3 convictions?

Thank you in advance.
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Old 09-26-2015, 04:35 PM
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Except for motor vehicle action (drunk driving or driving under the influence, none of the others will impact your medical certificate. In your case, your description suggests that none of your past should impact your application for a medical, given the time since your previous history.

If you choose to make a career of flying, those are things that employers will ask about. Time and distance from the events and lessons learned are the answer.
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Old 09-26-2015, 05:05 PM
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Except for motor vehicle action (drunk driving or driving under the influence, none of the others will impact your medical certificate. In your case, your description suggests that none of your past should impact your application for a medical, given the time since your previous history.

If you choose to make a career of flying, those are things that employers will ask about. Time and distance from the events and lessons learned are the answer.
That is great information, that would be incredible! My main cause of concern is that the faa website says that the medical examiner must defer certification if the applicant has had more than 3 arrests in their lifetime. Since I do, I was worried that would make it difficult to obtain. I wonder if it would be harder to get a 1st class with my history also..

Thanks a lot, that gives me great hope!
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:36 AM
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I know a guy with a worse record than you and he is now a captain at a regional. Don't discount the possibilities just follow the answer above. Lessons learned. If you really did turn your life around there is a chance up in the chain for you.
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I know a guy with a worse record than you and he is now a captain at a regional. Don't discount the possibilities just follow the answer above. Lessons learned. If you really did turn your life around there is a chance up in the chain for you.
That's great to hear, I would do anything to fly for a regional...

I've spoken go a few pilots in person and they all told me to mark "no" on all of the questions on the medical application.. I don't like the idea of being dishonest at all, but they all insist that the doctors and the faa don't check into anything or run Amy background check unless you report something. I want to be honest and hope that they see that I have the potential to be a great pilot, but they have me nervous, along with a lot of information I've read on the faa website and other sources.. either way I choose, once I submit the app there's no going back.

Again, I hate the idea of lying, I stopped doing that when I turned my life around but these pilots obviously know a lot more about this process than I do. I really don't know what to do.
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Anyone who tells you to be dishonest on an application is someone whom you should disregard in future. Don't do that.

The FAA doesn't conduct "background checks" for medical certificates. Your records are checked against driving records. When the FAA looks at your history with regard to driving under the influence, your'e asked if you've ever been convicted. This addresses motor vehicle actions which include suspension or revocation of driving privileges, regardless of whether a conviction has taken place.

If you lie on your application, it may come to light in the future, and that's a separate offense which could be very damaging. Far better to have items reported on your application, as every medical application after that is addressed as "previously reported, no change."

Although all questions are submitted online, a .pdf example of the explanations for what's on the form is here:

http://www.gleim.com/public/pdf/ltf/faa_form8500.pdf
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DO NOT LIE. its career suicide. yes the chances of getting caught on a medical for things like that is small, but if found out in the future they can and will pull your medical, and possibly deny you in the future...
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Except for motor vehicle action (drunk driving or driving under the influence, none of the others will impact your medical certificate. In your case, your description suggests that none of your past should impact your application for a medical, given the time since your previous history.
In this case, most likely correct. Time has passed and most importantly he was young when it happened. But the FAA can and will deny/defer certification for non-driving criminal history based on psychological grounds, and any real crimes (theft, fraud, assault, etc) much after age 17 will probably trigger that. Youthful misbehavior they'll attribute to youth unless they reason to think otherwise.

He may need to pay for a psych eval.

Hard to answer the question without knowing the ages at which the incidents occurred.
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He's provided nothing that indicates a psychological issue, or one that's been diagnosed in the past. Petty theft and possession of alcohol or marajuana as a juvenile ten years ago do not equate to a psychological or medical problem, and have no bearing on the medical certificate.

Whatever he's been doing to get several tickets in the last few years needs to stop; shouldn't be any tickets in the last few years, but those won't impact a medical certificate.

Regardless of whether the crime occurred before or after age 17, the information provided gives no basis for a psychological deferral or requirement for a psychological exam.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
He's provided nothing that indicates a psychological issue, or one that's been diagnosed in the past. Petty theft and possession of alcohol or marajuana as a juvenile ten years ago do not equate to a psychological or medical problem, and have no bearing on the medical certificate.

Whatever he's been doing to get several tickets in the last few years needs to stop; shouldn't be any tickets in the last few years, but those won't impact a medical certificate.

Regardless of whether the crime occurred before or after age 17, the information provided gives no basis for a psychological deferral or requirement for a psychological exam.
A pattern of criminal behavior can apparently cause the FAA to investigate your mental health.

But like I said youthful misbehavior would probably just be considered a "phase".
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