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Old 01-10-2016, 11:29 AM   #11  
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Gents - lots of great info here. Thanks! let me digest.

I understand the part about the VA not funding the 1,500 hours of flight time to qualify for an ATP. But what about the 250 PIC hours in an airplane?

What about the Aviation Universities and part 141 schools? How do they get their students to 250 PIC in airplanes?

and FIVENINERZERO - how do you use your GIBill 'ad hoc' as in "GI Bill ad hoc at a Part 141 school for $12k per year up to 3 years" and why only 3 years? I thought it was four - the equivalent to someone using four years of undergrad benefits (though with different dollar amounts).

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Old 01-11-2016, 07:39 PM   #12  
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Gents - lots of great info here. Thanks! let me digest.

I understand the part about the VA not funding the 1,500 hours of flight time to qualify for an ATP. But what about the 250 PIC hours in an airplane?

What about the Aviation Universities and part 141 schools? How do they get their students to 250 PIC in airplanes?

and FIVENINERZERO - how do you use your GIBill 'ad hoc' as in "GI Bill ad hoc at a Part 141 school for $12k per year up to 3 years" and why only 3 years? I thought it was four - the equivalent to someone using four years of undergrad benefits (though with different dollar amounts).

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Old 01-17-2016, 06:45 AM   #13  
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Gents - lots of great info here. Thanks! let me digest.

I understand the part about the VA not funding the 1,500 hours of flight time to qualify for an ATP. But what about the 250 PIC hours in an airplane?

What about the Aviation Universities and part 141 schools? How do they get their students to 250 PIC in airplanes?

and FIVENINERZERO - how do you use your GIBill 'ad hoc' as in "GI Bill ad hoc at a Part 141 school for $12k per year up to 3 years" and why only 3 years? I thought it was four - the equivalent to someone using four years of undergrad benefits (though with different dollar amounts).

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The 12K per year only applies to the cost of the credits themselves. The flight time is considered additional "fees" which the GI bill covers all. That is why you can only use the GI Bill at Part 141 VA approved schools, because the VA wants to make sure you and the school aren't abusing the program by adding on a bunch of bogus hours just to build time. So you can have a part 141 program, but if it is not "VA approved" the GI bill won't cover it.

I had two choices when I left the military.

  • I could stay on the Montgomery GI Bill and go to a part 141 flight school (not college) and the GI bill would pay for 60% of training, I would have to pay 40%. Advantages: I could get my ratings quicker. Disadvantages: I have to pay 40%
  • Or I could convert to the post 9/11 and go to a Part 141 VA approved college and get everything 100% paid for plus get a book stipend and E-5 housing allowance based on the number of credits I was taking. Advantages: Do not go into massive debt pilot training, reduced ATP, another degree. Disadvantages: It would take about 6 months to a year longer


Despite already having a Masters degree, I choose to go back to college and get my associates in Aeronautics to get everything paid for and to get the reduced ATP (I now only need 1250 hours instead of 1500). With my previous degrees, I did not have to take any Gen Ed classes because they credit them with my college transcripts, you I just had to take a few aeronautics ground courses and flight training. The colleges as part of their VA approved program will get you close to 250 hours because that is how the training is mapped out in their program. Be careful though, if you go over what hours are approved in the 141 program, you have to pay for those out of pocket.

I have zero experience and have never heard of anyone using the GI Bill for flight training while Active duty, so I can't give you any info on that. I doubt that your CO would sign off on anything like this if it would cause you to miss duty.
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Old 01-17-2016, 08:38 PM   #14  
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Are you retiring or just separating? I plan on separating in '18 and don't expect to get picked up by a major right away so I plan using my GI Bill to take a couple masters classes at a time to get the BAH and E-5(I think it's 5..) base pay to supplement the regional (lack of) pay.
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Old 01-23-2016, 01:47 AM   #15  
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Talked to a dude named Paul today at HPA, the ATP CTP is covered by the GI Bill. They received the approval a couple months after they were approved the ATP CTP by the FAA. The ATP practical is under part 61 and not covered by the GI Bill. 4G's for a 4 day course at HPA...can probably find it cheaper elsewheres. Classes start every Monday. Included is the Sheppard Air prep and a voucher to take the written exam. I'm going to go in late Feb/Early March.
Also, is a window exists mid-year where you can use your benefits for the ATP CTP course at ATP/HPA (only available in Dallas...the locations in Phoenx and Atlanta are not VA approved) and then enroll in the B737 type rating course and get your ATP concurrently with the type and use your benefits for that too (since the VA considers it a new year with new benefits). I think it's June/July but I may be off on that a little.

Another nice added benefit is the included Sheppard Air prep and the written exam itself, which you would otherwise have to pay for out of pocket.

Finally, most classes (ATP CTP and the B737 type classes) at HPA get to meet with a lady that used to be in charge of pilot recruitment at Southwest Airlines. She now runs her own company and she gives you pointers on the recruitment process and how to properly write your resume, how to fill out the online application, and other pointers on how to speed up the process for you getting called for an interview...all for free. Once you get called for an interview she is hoping you will use her interview prop services. People who do are highly successful.
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