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Logging King Air 350

Old 02-06-2016, 08:35 PM
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The company I fly for requires a certain amount of time in the 350 before you can be designated the PIC.

They also require an SIC at all times. I understand I can't log SIC time in this platform.

I'm pursuing a career in the major airlines. The applications make it clear that PIC for them means that you are the designated PIC, not just the sole manipulator of the controls.

My question is how do I log my left seat (pilot flying) time if I'm not the designated PIC?

Would it be OK to put it in my logbook as PIC since I was at the controls and just not include that time in my applications? Or would they question why the numbers don't match during a logbook review?

Is it possible to include my left seat time in the airline applications?

It almost seams that I can't include any of my King Air time in my applications. Which is ridiculous because I have a couple hundred hours in the aircraft.
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:27 PM
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If SIC is required for operations in the KA350 why can't you log SIC time?
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Old 02-07-2016, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanK290 View Post
The company I fly for requires a certain amount of time in the 350 before you can be designated the PIC.
Is this job under Part 135?

If the job is under Part 135, a SIC is required under IFR, regardless of the whether the aircraft is certificated for more than one crew member. Even if the company is certified for single pilot operations, assuming training program exists for SICs and you meet the 135 requirements, you can log SIC when so designated.

If you are category/rated for the aircraft (airplane, multi engine land), you can log sole manipulator time as PIC. You may not want to do that, however, as there are few employers that will consider your PIC time if you weren't actually PIC.

If Part 91 only, then it doesn't matter if the company designates you as a SIC. If one isn't required by the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the aircraft is operated, then you won't be able to log SIC.
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post

If you are category/rated for the aircraft (airplane, multi engine land), you can log sole manipulator time as PIC. You may not want to do that, however, as there are few employers that will consider your PIC time if you weren't actually PIC.
The 350 requires a Type.
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Old 02-07-2016, 07:02 AM
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He or she isn't typed, then?

It may have been best to lay all the cards on the table at the outset, rather than require respondents to prompt for information.

There is too little information provided by the original poster to give a meaningful answer.
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Old 02-07-2016, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by RyanK290 View Post
The company I fly for requires a certain amount of time in the 350 before you can be designated the PIC.

They also require an SIC at all times. I understand I can't log SIC time in this platform.

I'm pursuing a career in the major airlines. The applications make it clear that PIC for them means that you are the designated PIC, not just the sole manipulator of the controls.

My question is how do I log my left seat (pilot flying) time if I'm not the designated PIC?

Would it be OK to put it in my logbook as PIC since I was at the controls and just not include that time in my applications? Or would they question why the numbers don't match during a logbook review?

Is it possible to include my left seat time in the airline applications?

It almost seams that I can't include any of my King Air time in my applications. Which is ridiculous because I have a couple hundred hours in the aircraft.
What type rating do you have for it?
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:35 AM
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It's a part 91 operation. I have a single pilot type rating in the 350.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:46 AM
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If you're a required SIC then log it as SIC time, even when you are the flying pilot.
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Old 02-09-2016, 06:50 PM
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If you're a required SIC then log it as SIC time, even when you are the flying pilot.
Required by what? A company requirement for a SIC in a single pilot airplane does not make the SIC a required crew member under the regulation and does not entitle the pilot to log SIC.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Required by what? A company requirement for a SIC in a single pilot airplane does not make the SIC a required crew member under the regulation and does not entitle the pilot to log SIC.
Respectfully disagree. If there is a company Ops spec requiring an SIC - Then you can log it.
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