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Alisito 07-05-2016 06:21 PM

Student help
 
I'm almost done with high school one more year left 17yrs old, 12th grade 3.8 and 4.4 weighted gpa and I've wanted to become an airline pilot since Phhh and the more research the more lost I get. Ok here comes the real question since I dropped Erau choice. Would you recommend flight school and Univ/college at the same time, or just go to a a university with a flight and program and earn a bachelors in Aeronautical science with financial aid and scholarships? I live in Florida and this one United airlines pilot told me that a good flight school is PTC and its around 39k for PPL, instrument, commercial and multi, and there is a university 18 min away from it (FIU). The only bad thing is that they don't provide the CFI. CfI-I. CMEI certificates. Any answers suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 06:32 PM

Become a Lawyer or Software Engineer.

Then buy your own plane.

minimwage4 07-05-2016 06:35 PM

Must have been a United pilot who didn't lose his pension.

Alisito 07-05-2016 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156524)
Become a Lawyer or Software Engineer.

Then buy your own plane.

Not really into that idea but I might look into a degree somewhere in that technology field. Thank you sir.

Alisito 07-05-2016 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2156527)
Must have been a United pilot who didn't lose his pension.

What do u mean by that🤔

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2156527)
Must have been a United pilot who didn't lose his pension.

HA! I lol'ed.

Yeah, to the OP, I also recommend an MBA if you aren't into the other two I listed above.

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156532)
What do u mean by that��

He meant that you should go back and ask your United Pilot to sponsor your flight training as it will be a write-off for him (or her).

CBreezy 07-05-2016 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156533)
HA! I lol'ed.

Yeah, to the OP, I also recommend an MBA if you aren't into the other two I listed above.

An MBA is an absolutely worthless degree unless you get it at a place like Harvard.

Extenda 07-05-2016 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156516)
I'm almost done with high school one more year left 17yrs old, 12th grade 3.8 and 4.4 weighted gpa and I've wanted to become an airline pilot since Phhh and the more research the more lost I get. Ok here comes the real question since I dropped Erau choice. Would you recommend flight school and Univ/college at the same time, or just go to a a university with a flight and program and earn a bachelors in Aeronautical science with financial aid and scholarships? I live in Florida and this one United airlines pilot told me that a good flight school is PTC and its around 39k for PPL, instrument, commercial and multi, and there is a university 18 min away from it (FIU). The only bad thing is that they don't provide the CFI. CfI-I. CMEI certificates. Any answers suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

I would do your ratings piecemeal for the cheap while you are doing a regular 4 year degree in something unrelated to aviation. Then once you graduate, after enjoying your time as a regular college student, you can go right into instructing. The key is as cheap as possible. Nobody cares if you went to Big Franks CFI school in Pahokee Florida, or Embry Riddle. Enjoy your college life, get your ratings in the summer or on the weekends, then you'll have a CFI job waiting for you with a four year degree in your back pocket and all sorts of fun college memories.

Alisito 07-05-2016 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156537)
He meant that you should go back and ask your United Pilot to sponsor your flight training as it will be a write-off for him (or her).

lool okaii

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2156546)
An MBA is an absolutely worthless degree unless you get it at a place like Harvard.

Really?

So all CEO's of the Airlines since the beginning of scheduled revenue flight, all have MBA's from Harvard?

Alisito 07-05-2016 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 2156550)
I would do your ratings piecemeal for the cheap while you are doing a regular 4 year degree in something unrelated to aviation. Then once you graduate, after enjoying your time as a regular college student, you can go right into instructing. The key is as cheap as possible. Nobody cares if you went to Big Franks CFI school in Pahokee Florida, or Embry Riddle. Enjoy your college life, get your ratings in the summer or on the weekends, then you'll have a CFI job waiting for you with a four year degree in your back pocket and all sorts of fun college memories.


I like that, yea so your telling me get my ratings little by little such as my PPL, instrument, commercial, multi, CfI, CFI-I and CMEI so when I finish college just work as an instructor niceee. Thanks a lot

minimwage4 07-05-2016 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156532)
What do u mean by that🤔

It's spelled Y O U not U.

Alisito 07-05-2016 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2156561)
It's spelled Y O U not U.


For realll ????!!?!? Wow
Thanks

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156558)
I like that, yea so your telling me get my ratings little by little such as my PPL, instrument, commercial, multi, CfI, CFI-I and CMEI so when I finish college just work as an instructor niceee. Thanks a lot

Yeah, that's how I did it. And I did it with less than 3.5k for flight training, while going to classes and pumping gas on FBO ramps... taking most of my rides with the Feds (you do know that the Feds cannot charge you for a check ride, right?). I also did my CFI initial check ride for free with the local FSDO... then got hired as a CFI at a local flight school, and my II, MEI were also free as the flight school with which I was hired had a DE who didn't charge his CFI's for check-rides.

It's called networking, prospecting, studying hard.

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156563)
For realll ????!!?!? Wow
Thanks

For real.

If you do not have discipline at age 17, how exactly do you expect to get advice from real pilots who program an FMS many times per day? Or hired at all in the industry?

(ughh... the text generation...)

qazWSX 07-05-2016 07:39 PM

Invest in aviation aversion therapy, Shave your legs and pay for the therapy as a B-girl in Vegas.

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by qazWSX (Post 2156571)
Invest in aviation aversion therapy, Shave your legs and pay for the therapy as a B-girl in Vegas.

I suppose it's better than where many who I met, who had the same attitude as the OP, ended up....

...at the bottom of a smoking hole...

Alisito 07-05-2016 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156568)
For real.

If you do not have discipline at age 17, how exactly do you expect to get advice from real pilots who program an FMS many times per day? Or hired at all in the industry?

(ughh... the text generation...)



Well I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way, I am pretty aware of how to spell (you) in matter of fact. Yes I am 17 and very respectful to others, it seems that you just woke on the wrong side of the bed sir. ''Respect is earned'' as the old saying says . Have a great night hope seeing you in the future.

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156586)
Well I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way I am pretty aware of how to spell (you) in matter of fact. Yes I am 17 and very respectful to others, it seems that you just woke on the wrong side of the bed sir. ''Respect is earned'' as the old saying says . Have a great night hope seeing you in the future.

Yes, respect is earned. Remember that.

I don't think he was trying to correct you, rather I feel he was trying to see how you reacted to being corrected.

If you have the same attitude in an interview, or if a DE tries to correct you, you will lose every time.

And don't be a kiss ass either.... sir.

Sleep well... and learn from those you trust, before you learn from your mistakes.

Either way, learn.

Alisito 07-05-2016 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156564)
Yeah, that's how I did it. And I did it with less than 3.5k for flight training, while going to classes and pumping gas on FBO ramps... taking most of my rides with the Feds (you do know that the Feds cannot charge you for a check ride, right?). I also did my CFI initial check ride for free with the local FSDO... then got hired as a CFI at a local flight school, and my II, MEI were also free as the flight school with which I was hired had a DE who didn't charge his CFI's for check-rides.

It's called networking, prospecting, studying hard.

For less that 35k, that's extremely good, to be honest with you I've done some research for flight schools around Florida and that's the cheapest I've found, 39k with the fuel surcharges included etc. Yea and I see that you worked at on FBO Ramps, that's one of my concerns,and it's how to manage to fit in 3 things because of course I need the job for money to pay for my flight classes. But there is organization thing called AOPA and you can pay around 150-200 monthly for your flight classes since they pay it for you and you just pay them monthly. So I'm guessing I'll just need a light job to manage that. And wait, so you can just start working as a CFI with only your CFI not having your CFI-I and CMEI and still build your hours and get payed ?
Yuup sir networking, prospecting and studying hard are the key. Thanks a lot sir have a good night.

BlueRdgePatriot 07-05-2016 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156595)
For less that 35k, that's extremely good,

No, not 35k.

Read my post again and notice the decimal point.

Again, attention to detail is essential if you want to become a professional pilot.

Alisito 07-06-2016 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156598)
No, not 35k.

Read my post again and notice the decimal point.

Again, attention to detail is essential if you want to become a professional pilot.

Yes captain, I'm sorry I thought that was an error. So less than 3.5k howw, and was that in Florida?

Alisito 07-06-2016 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by BlueRdgePatriot (Post 2156591)
Yes, respect is earned. Remember that.

I don't think he was trying to correct you, rather I feel he was trying to see how you reacted to being corrected.

If you have the same attitude in an interview, or if a DE tries to correct you, you will lose every time.

And don't be a kiss ass either.... sir.

Sleep well... and learn from those you trust, before you learn from your mistakes.

Either way, learn.


Well I've learned a lesson today. Thanks

Adlerdriver 07-06-2016 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156675)
Well I've learned a lesson today. Thanks

Have you considered the military option?

Alisito 07-06-2016 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2156727)
Have you considered the military option?

I actually have sir but someone told me it takes around 10 years but the positive thing is that major airlines actually take you in with now probs. But yea that's the negative side, Ima have to do a little research on it.

Adlerdriver 07-06-2016 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156773)
I actually have sir but someone told me it takes around 10 years but the positive thing is that major airlines actually take you in with now probs. But yea that's the negative side, Ima have to do a little research on it.

Spell check would help you better say whatever it is you're trying to say. But, I think I got the gist. ;)

It sounds like your real goal is an airline pilot job. If that's true, then don't bother researching or pursuing the military route. It's not a stepping stone path to the airlines. You can end up at an airline (and no, it's not always "now probs" :rolleyes:) but you need to have more reasons to serve than just getting on with an airline. You would also need to be okay with taking that path and never getting on the airline track. 10+ years is a long time.

Do you have some flight experience yet? What is drawing you toward this particular career path?

Alisito 07-06-2016 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2156837)
Spell check would help you better say whatever it is you're trying to say. But, I think I got the gist. ;)

It sounds like your real goal is an airline pilot job. If that's true, then don't bother researching or pursuing the military route. It's not a stepping stone path to the airlines. You can end up at an airline (and no, it's not always "now probs" :rolleyes:) but you need to have more reasons to serve than just getting on with an airline. You would also need to be okay with taking that path and never getting on the airline track. 10+ years is a long time.

Do you have some flight experience yet? What is drawing you toward this particular career path?


Well ok i have 0 flight experience, the only flight experience I have is flying a c172 and a c172 sim at ERAU (was only for a few hours)with a scholarship I earned to attend their amazing summer camp. Even though I might not have adequate flight experience, being an Airline Pilot has been a dream of mine since the beginning of middle school. I even get my adrenaline pumping everytime I see plane fly close by. So I'm trying to make a well constructed plan now, so I won't have such of a great headache after this last year of highschool and not disappoint my parents and my self. Just in case you haven't seen my earlier posts I'm looking into FIU and earn a degree in something usefull while going to this flight school around 18-20 min away from it called PTC~39k for: PPL instrument, commercial, and multi. And oh we'll Ima have to find another flight school that provide CFI classes. And yes I'm only trying to pursue the Airline Pilot career.

Adlerdriver 07-06-2016 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2156981)
Well ok i have 0 flight experience, the only flight experience I have is flying a c172 and a c172 sim at ERAU (was only for a few hours)with a scholarship I earned to attend their amazing summer camp. Even though I might not have adequate flight experience, being an Airline Pilot has been a dream of mine since the beginning of middle school.

I realize you don't have much experience. That's okay, everyone's got to start somewhere. However, dreams and reality sometimes end up being quite a bit different.

You've got a little bit of exposure to flying at ERAU - good. Maybe it would be worthwhile to get some more just to continue to explore this career path you're considering. Continue to prepare, evaluate options and plan. Don't burn bridges. But, take some time this summer and even during senior year to take some flying lessons. Find out if you have some aptitude and like it as much as you think you do.

Good luck.

Alisito 07-06-2016 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2156987)
I realize you don't have much experience. That's okay, everyone's got to start somewhere. However, dreams and reality sometimes end up being quite a bit different.

You've got a little bit of exposure to flying at ERAU - good. Maybe it would be worthwhile to get some more just to continue to explore this career path you're considering. Continue to prepare, evaluate options and plan. Don't burn bridges. But, take some time this summer and even during senior year to take some flying lessons. Find out if you have some aptitude and like it as much as you think you do.

Good luck.

Thanks sir, yea ill be exploring lots of Options this summer, hope seeing you in the future.

at6d 07-07-2016 11:23 AM

As an instructor that has signed off nearly 200 students, take this advice. One thing you need to do BEFORE your parents drop a bunch of money is to get a First Class student pilot medical certificate.

If you can't pass the medical, you can't be an airline pilot. Period.

If you have certain medical issues, many can be resolved but it can take time.

There is also no reason to pay all the money for training up front.

Do yourself a favor and take some lessons while you are in high school. You are old enough to solo now...so now is a good time to see if you even like it.

Many times, local community colleges offer private pilot ground school that you can attend while in high school...and get college credit for it. I did!

Just because you have a pilot fantasy doesn't mean you will be good at it. Some people can't handle motion, for example.

Go to your local flight school and ask for an introductory flight/lesson.

And lastly for god sakes, don't be one of those millennial noobs that think because they showed up they deserve an ATP. This career takes time, sweat, and effort. And turn your damn hat around the right way!

Good luck.

Alisito 07-07-2016 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2157582)
As an instructor that has signed off nearly 200 students, take this advice. One thing you need to do BEFORE your parents drop a bunch of money is to get a First Class student pilot medical certificate.

If you can't pass the medical, you can't be an airline pilot. Period.

If you have certain medical issues, many can be resolved but it can take time.

There is also no reason to pay all the money for training up front.

Do yourself a favor and take some lessons while you are in high school. You are old enough to solo now...so now is a good time to see if you even like it.

Many times, local community colleges offer private pilot ground school that you can attend while in high school...and get college credit for it. I did!

Just because you have a pilot fantasy doesn't mean you will be good at it. Some people can't handle motion, for example.

Go to your local flight school and ask for an introductory flight/lesson.

And lastly for god sakes, don't be one of those millennial noobs that think because they showed up they deserve an ATP. This career takes time, sweat, and effort. And turn your damn hat around the right way!

Good luck.

Thanks for the advice captain, well yes I've flown a c172 so I have a little experience of how that feels.im just gonna have to take the Faa medical wich is not an issue, I hope since I don't have any health problems ( only that I can barely see without glasses or contacts but with them I can see perfect). And lastly if I want to start flying this last high school Ima have to get a little Job to pay the school with my moms help since my mother wants me to work lmao. At AOpa you only pay ~180 for your flight school finance.

at6d 07-07-2016 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Alisito (Post 2157624)
Thanks for the advice captain, well yes I've flown a c172 so I have a little experience of how that feels.im just gonna have to take the Faa medical wich is not an issue, I hope since I don't have any health problems ( only that I can barely see without glasses or contacts but with them I can see perfect). And lastly if I want to start flying this last high school Ima have to get a little Job to pay the school with my moms help since my mother wants me to work lmao. At AOpa you only pay ~180 for your flight school finance.

If you want it bad enough, you will find a way.

Go get a job at the airport!

And read up on Bob Hoover.

Alisito 07-07-2016 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2157678)
If you want it bad enough, you will find a way.

Go get a job at the airport!

And read up on Bob Hoover.

Yea I really want it, you don't know how much lol, yea I'll try everything that's my most concern getting a light job to for those two schedules. And yes I'll take a look at Bob Hoover. Thanks


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