Nemo786

Hey Guys and Gals,

I would like to build another 250-300 hours in the course of 4-5 months. I am looking to rent from Air America Flight Center. They have a Cessna 172L that they charge $94/hr or $890/10 hour block which we would split 50/50. Come and fly for as long as you need.

About The Area/Airport:
The Daytona Beach area is quite nice and about an hour away from Orlando. Daytona Beach is known for its amazing year round weather and a central hub for pilots in training. Every other person you meet is a pilot and the people here are generally friendly to any race, culture or religion. The airport is adjacent with the Daytona Speedway, which usually has an event every so often. There also is a new Tanger Outlet that just opened up 2-4 miles away for anyone looking to do a little shopping. Its busy during the day and quiet at night. Daytona Airport is a class Charlie airspace, with daily flights for Delta, American Airlines, and JetBlue.

About Me:
I am a current Masters student at Embry-Riddle University and I am originally from Long Island, NY. I will be graduating May 2017, and before I go back home I would like to take advantage of the weather and cheap rental/fuel. I only have classes twice a week so we have plenty of time to fly and explore the areas around. I have my ASEL CPPL and my goal is to get into the airlines as soon as possible. I have been told by numerous pilots that I am pretty chill in the cockpit and make it extremely fun and safe to fly. I have a lot of stories to share and talk about. Building hours can get kinda boring, but we can learn a lot from each other and have a blast doing it.

PM if you are interested.

Thank You!
Link To Rental: Time Builders - Flight Center | Air America Flight Center

awax

How are you going to log 172 time when you're sitting in the right seat? Are you a CFI? I'm trying to understand the advantage of splitting the cost 50/50.

Nemo786

Normally, a safety pilot, required by regulations, scans for traffic for a pilot flying under simulated instrument conditions is not pilot-in-command and thus logs second-in-command. However, if the two pilots agree that the safety pilot is designated pilot-in-command, the safety pilot/pilot-in-command may log PIC since he is the pilot responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft. The pilot flying is "sole manipulator of the controls for which the pilot is rated"" and may also log PIC according to 61.51. Therefore, two private pilots may log PIC under these conditions. However, the safety pilot/pilot-in-command must realize that anything that occurs during the flight is his responsibility. Airspace violations, non-compliance with ATC instructions, near mid air collision, and runway incursions on the ground are all now charged to the safety pilo

2StgTurbine

You should do some more research. The only way two pilots can log PIC for the ENTIRE flight is if one is a CFI. Safety pilot time can only be logged while the other pilot is under the hood, so the safety pilot cannot log the time that the aircraft is on the ground.

Nemo786

Safety pilot was just an example and in your scenario you can't log for the entire flight. However, one must understand the difference between logging PIC and acting PIC. If you are a private or commercial pilot, you may log as PIC any time you are acting as PIC (in charge) of a flight on which more than one pilot is required [61.51(e)(1)(iii)] More than one pilot may be required because the aircraft is not certified for single-pilot operations. But more common for us, it covers simulated instrument flight where a second "safety pilot" is required by the regulations while the "manipulator" is under the hood. [91.109(b)] If the two pilots agree that the safety pilot is acting as PIC, the safety pilot can log the time as PIC. An important, but often misunderstood part of this rule is that in order to act as PIC in this context, the pilot must be qualified to do so. That means being current and having the appropriate endorsements in addition to ratings. A second pilot can also act and log PIC as a "safety pilot" if both pilots agree to it. One will be manipulating controls qualifying him or her to log PIC and the other pilot can log pic if they are required to be in the aircraft to make it legal to fly for currencies or say you haven't had your flight review. Regulations only demand the pilot be rated for the class and category. Many pilots including my instructors have logged PIC time this way and have been confirmed by their current airlines to be logged legally.

2StgTurbine

You are completely wrong. Two pilots can not "agree" to spit PIC duties. The FAA and industry only accepts 2 ways to have two pilots log PIC time. Dual instruction and safety pilot time with one pilot under the hood. Two private pilots CANNOT both log time unless on is under the hood.

All pilots interested in the OP's offer need to stay away. He doesn't understand the CFRs or the industry as much as he thinks he does. The FAA or any future employer will not count this time if you tell them that you made an "agreement" with the other pilot that one would be in charge and the other would manipulate the controls. You will waste your money, time, and the interviewer would rip up your application.

Flyhayes

A view limiting device has to be involved. For any portion of the flight that doesn't involve the hood only one person can be logging the flight time. At a place like DAB, it could easily mean well over 0.5 hours will be unloggable for the safety pilot during each flight due to the ground ops there.

Nemo786

I don't think you are understanding the meaning of the term safety pilot. I DO understand the CFRs correctly. I'll explain it this way instead for those not understanding what a safety pilot does. File IFR, fly in VFR conditions one flies under the hood another is a safety pilot that would be required by regulations. According to who is flying one has to agree to who is the safety pilot and who is going to be under the hood. It's common practice to decide who is acting PIC and who is the sole manipulator of a flight before it begins.

Thank you

Nemo786

I think I see where others are getting confused and I understand and apologize. Splitting time would be a better way of putting it rather than splitting costs. Of course the only way two commercial or private license pilots can split time is if they both AGREE to who is PIC and who is the safety pilot and therefore both can log PIC when appropriate. If you are the safety pilot we can figure out a fair way for that person to pay for each leg of the flight. I don't really care about the money aspect of it, I would like to start flying as soon as possible with anyone who would care to join.

I thought this was unspoken considering everyone else here is doing the same thing? Splitting time with a safety pilot, so the same rules apply here.

2StgTurbine

The safety pilot can only log the time that the other pilot is under the hood. If the hood is not on, no safety pilot is required no matter what you agreed on before the flight.