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Old 03-18-2007, 11:55 AM   #131  
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real mature. i guess i missed the semester of flight computers....

but i did take advantage of the CRM seminars. I also got paid by NASA to participate in an avionics test program for new GPS displays. I did spend alot of time looking at the multiple jet engine cutaways riddle has so i could understand every stage and how every piece works. I did get alot out of a semester of 747 systems taught by a 20+ year 744 capt.... it def. makes things really easy the first time you take initial training/ground school in any jet.

I dont regret for a second going to ERAU, and I still have not met one person on the line who has given me crap about it....

again..... like i said before, its your additude. its not where you went to school that makes you a bad person.

Give me a break about 747-400 systems class for a semester...You actually paid for something the airlines send you to for free? BTW - did the 747 Captain fly in Nam?


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Give me a break about 747-400 systems class for a semester...You actually paid for something the airlines send you to for free? BTW - did the 747 Captain fly in Nam?


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Wouldn't that be similar to the ATP Professional Pilot Program, which includes jet training, that you would be paying for??

The point of those classes (and for a lot of college classes in general) is to help prepare you for what you will encounter in your future occupation. By learning/analyzing the systems of a complex aircraft (in this case 747-400), you would more than likely be able to encounter and deal with other, similar, systems on other jets in an effective manner. It gives you some background and past experience, lessening the learning curve.

As for your question about the "Mig Alley" stories, no they did not. They did however have good things to say about the school.

You seem to have a fixation on these professors telling stories about flying in Veitnam, specifically about "Mig Allet", yet if memory serves on the history department, "Mig Alley" was in Korea.
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Wouldn't that be similar to the ATP Professional Pilot Program, which includes jet training, that you would be paying for??

The point of those classes (and for a lot of college classes in general) is to help prepare you for what you will encounter in your future occupation. By learning/analyzing the systems of a complex aircraft (in this case 747-400), you would more than likely be able to encounter and deal with other, similar, systems on other jets in an effective manner. It gives you some background and past experience, lessening the learning curve.

As for your question about the "Mig Alley" stories, no they did not. They did however have good things to say about the school.

You seem to have a fixation on these professors telling stories about flying in Veitnam, specifically about "Mig Allet", yet if memory serves on the history department, "Mig Alley" was in Korea.
No it would not be similar. ATPs offers a course on the jets, its optional for extra money and completely unnecessary. I tell people that ask to not take it - its not worth it since the company will teach you on their dime. You'll learn more being a CFI for the few extra months.

I know Mig Alley was in Korea. I was talking about the 747 Captain. A korean war vet and 'Mig Alley' veteran may have been too old to fly the 747. Didn't the 747 enter service in 1968...Ok, maybe he could have flown over Mig Alley and flown the 747.
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I normally don't write a whole lot......I've just been perusing these forums for many months now. That being said, why do you care so much to bash ERAU?

I didn't go there, I went to a state school for a couple of pretty useful degrees...so don't worry about me.

As for learning systems "on someone else's dime," I don't think you quite understand the value of learning this stuff prior to going through an indoc/training program.

I can say with 100% conviction that the systems training I received in my undergraduate (we did 727...not 747) immensely put me ahead of other people when it came time for job-specific training. Not only did this education help me with aviation, but it also helped foster analytical and problem-solving skills that I use in my new profession.

You truly sound like an ignoramus...especially since you have little to no background of experience.

ERAU may not be for everybody (it wasn't for me), but don't go around wasting your time trying to sway people's views. We're all pretty sharp people here, and we can figure out what type of training is best for each of us.....your effort is unnecessary.

I truly hope you lose this attitude once you start working. Trust me, you don't want to be "that guy."

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LAFF,

I normally don't write a whole lot......I've just been perusing these forums for many months now. That being said, why do you care so much to bash ERAU?

I didn't go there, I went to a state school for a couple of pretty useful degrees...so don't worry about me.

As for learning systems "on someone else's dime," I don't think you quite understand the value of learning this stuff prior to going through an indoc/training program.

I can say with 100% conviction that the systems training I received in my undergraduate (we did 727...not 747) immensely put me ahead of other people when it came time for job-specific training. Not only did this education help me with aviation, but it also helped foster analytical and problem-solving skills that I use in my new profession.

You truly sound like an ignoramus...especially since you have little to no background of experience.

ERAU may not be for everybody (it wasn't for me), but don't go around wasting your time trying to sway people's views. We're all pretty sharp people here, and we can figure out what type of training is best for each of us.....your effort is unnecessary.

I truly hope you lose this attitude once you start working. Trust me, you don't want to be "that guy."

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No it would not be similar. ATPs offers a course on the jets, its optional for extra money and completely unnecessary. I tell people that ask to not take it - its not worth it since the company will teach you on their dime. You'll learn more being a CFI for the few extra months.
I took this straight from the AllATPs website:
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Commercial Multi-Engine, Single-Engine, Instrument & CFIís
Prepare for an airline pilot career with an emphasis on nationwide flying experience in multi-engine aircraft. Includes 190 hours multi-engine experience, actual jet aircraft experience, and more all using airline-standard crew resource management techniques. Graduate from this program ready to build flight time as a multi-engine flight instructor, eligible for accelerated airline placement within 6 months.
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10 Hours Single-Engine Time
From the website, it sure seems like it is part of the 90-day fast track course.

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I know Mig Alley was in Korea. I was talking about the 747 Captain. A korean war vet and 'Mig Alley' veteran may have been too old to fly the 747. Didn't the 747 enter service in 1968...Ok, maybe he could have flown over Mig Alley and flown the 747.
Just making sure, you mentioned Vietnam and "Mig Alley" so many times I started to think you thought they were in the same place.
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I took this straight from the AllATPs website:




From the website, it sure seems like it is part of the 90-day fast track course.



Just making sure, you mentioned Vietnam and "Mig Alley" so many times I started to think you thought they were in the same place.
A few hours in a citation to get your high altitude endorsement. Nothing like pending a semester with Gen. Smith going over the 747.

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A few hours in a citation to get your high altitude endorsement. Nothing like pending a semester with Gen. Smith going over the 747.

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Why don't you go ask Cappy and the FO what they think of ATP, after you're done stocking the galley?
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Why don't you go ask Cappy and the FO what they think of ATP, after you're done stocking the galley?
I will. At least I won't have to pay to hear about 'Mig-Alley.'

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haha! you know what's really funny? go to google and search "embry riddle sucks" and this site comes up. UnlimitedAcro, I think every school is probably better than UND, at least that's what i've been hearing a lot more often from students who went there. They've also mentioned to me that alot of the bad things on this university of north dakota aviation site were actually true, which kind of gives me the chills...

Please go to the flight schools website and check out the post that back in'52 posted about the dangers of UND aerospace...you will see that he is the founder of www.undsucks.com and some interesting comments.
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