NAI and outcomes
03-27-2017, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Windshear
Considering the bad press surrounding NAI's expansion, I wonder if the US pilots taking these jobs would be limiting their future career choices? Would an ALPA carrier hire them in the future, after making a choice like that?
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Pilot's applying at NAI don't worry about this. They already know they can't get hired at US major. It's how they justify settling for less pay.
03-27-2017, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
The training bond, if you are required to have one (not all are required - specifically 777/787 guys), is three years. After that you are in the clear and free to move along.
The problem for Norwegian, and any other airline dealing with high turnover, is the availability of training slots. If a guy leaves Norwegian at the end of his three years, it may take Norwegian 6-12 months to screen and train his replacement simply due to lack of training capacity. Not sure of the situation in the States right now, but European airlines are struggling with finding enough sim time and instructors.
Not sure of the airline pilot specifics, but a quick Google search shows that it seems to be generally accepted that it costs about twice as to recruit and train a new employee as is does to retain one.
The problem for Norwegian, and any other airline dealing with high turnover, is the availability of training slots. If a guy leaves Norwegian at the end of his three years, it may take Norwegian 6-12 months to screen and train his replacement simply due to lack of training capacity. Not sure of the situation in the States right now, but European airlines are struggling with finding enough sim time and instructors.
Not sure of the airline pilot specifics, but a quick Google search shows that it seems to be generally accepted that it costs about twice as to recruit and train a new employee as is does to retain one.
03-28-2017, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Maybe if they paid more they'd have more sim instructors and sim time.
03-28-2017, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Norwegian is paying competitive rates for European LCCs. And their pay rates will not solve the issue of not enough simulators.
03-28-2017, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Clearly not competitive enough if they can't hang on to enough sim instructors to keep up with turnover.
03-28-2017, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Windshear
Considering the bad press surrounding NAI's expansion, I wonder if the US pilots taking these jobs would be limiting their future career choices? Would an ALPA carrier hire them in the future, after making a choice like that?k
As soon as the laser pointer is directed somewhere else, this will blow over just like every "the new thing to blame" that has come before this.
03-28-2017, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
Clearly not competitive enough if they can't hang on to enough sim instructors to keep up with turnover.
03-28-2017, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by NEDude
Even if they paid more than any other airline on the planet, it would still not solve the issue of sim availability.
03-28-2017, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
If only someone out there would trade full motion simulators in exchange for money.
You see in the real world the airline industry is extremely volatile. While things may be looking great right now, if history is any indication, things will not be looking as good five years from now. While you can furlough pilots, cabin crew and other employees, you cannot furlough those multi million dollar simulators. Training providers like CAE cannot just shutdown the simulators and have all the costs disappear. Unlike the United States, most of the rest of the world does not have bankruptcy laws which allow a company to remain in business while debts are reorganised or eliminated. In other words if you invest in a simulator, you had better have a way to pay for it, even when the industry is not doing well. Which is why most of the European airlines, with the exception of some very large legacy airlines like BA, KLM and Lufthansa (which are struggling with training capacity as well), do not have their own simulator centres. Even companies like SAS have to partner with CAE to share the risk.
03-29-2017, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Windshear
Considering the bad press surrounding NAI's expansion, I wonder if the US pilots taking these jobs would be limiting their future career choices? Would an ALPA carrier hire them in the future, after making a choice like that?
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