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NEDude 02-28-2017 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2310633)
How many seats in the NAI 787-9 again? Answer:344 vs. UA 787-9 252. I don't have to fly on them to know what kind of **** they are selling.


Your arguments are so full of holes it is downright silly.

Norwegian does not have a first/business/"Polaris" class section, meaning more economy seats and thus a higher number of seats overall. Seatguru.com shows the United economy seats at 32 inch pitch and 17.3 inch width in a 3/3/3 configuration. They show Norwegian economy at 31/32 inch pitch in 17.3 inch width in a 3/3/3 configuration. I challenge you to notice any difference sitting in economy on a Norwegian flight vs a United flight. If you want to go up one service level, on United you get 35 inch pitch, with a 17.3 inch width in a 3/3/3 configuration. Going up one class of service in Norwegian you get 46 inch pitch, 19 inch width and 2/3/2 configuration. I guarantee you will notice a difference between Norwegian's Premium Economy vs Economy Plus on United, and it will not be kind to United.

I can speak from personal experience on the 787s for both airlines, there is ZERO difference in economy section. Can you speak from personal experience?

ItnStln 02-28-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by adebord (Post 2310622)
Bags aren't extra on an international itinerary in the U.S. Even the domestic legs.

It must depend on what the airline considers "international," because I paid for bags going to the Caribbean.

Half wing 02-28-2017 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2310641)
Your arguments are so full of holes it is downright silly.

Norwegian does not have a first/business/"Polaris" class section, meaning more economy seats and thus a higher number of seats overall. Seatguru.com shows the United economy seats at 32 inch pitch and 17.3 inch width in a 3/3/3 configuration. They show Norwegian economy at 31/32 inch pitch in 17.3 inch width in a 3/3/3 configuration. I challenge you to notice any difference sitting in economy on a Norwegian flight vs a United flight. If you want to go up one service level, on United you get 35 inch pitch, with a 17.3 inch width in a 3/3/3 configuration. Going up one class of service in Norwegian you get 46 inch pitch, 19 inch width and 2/3/2 configuration. I guarantee you will notice a difference between Norwegian's Premium Economy vs Economy Plus on United, and it will not be kind to United.

I can speak from personal experience on the 787s for both airlines, there is ZERO difference in economy section. Can you speak from personal experience?

From the other thread,
"A friend of mine just posted their experience on Norwegian. I'm paraphrasing but, the seats were cramped and uncomfortable (more than normal coach seats) and they weighed everything they had i.e. Wallet, neck pillow, backpack, cellphone, if all carry on items are over 7 kilos you are charged extra. I think they will have some success but the out of the way departure locations, the bad accommodations and the extra charges will limit their appeal. We need to continue to be a quality experience"

I would never fly on NAI but I don't need to to know they are just like any other ULCC. I'm not saying beyond that. It is what it is. They have their place in the market. Some on here seem to accept lower QOL and pay as the new norm. It sad to see the erosion of our profession. Nedude, you seem to take pleasure in it. Enjoy your misery. Now, what should I spend my 18k bonus on?:D

PotatoChip 02-28-2017 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2310618)
Nope. Same jobs. 1 for 1 replacement of good jobs for crappy jobs. If NAI displaces Delta or UA off a similar route then it is 1 for 1. NAI Devalues pilots and erode future pilot pay and QOL.

This has nothing to do with one for one.
It has to do with a much larger picture. Denying airlines their legal rights by treaties we are a party to may very well have ramifications that includes fewer jobs.

intrepidcv11 02-28-2017 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2310636)
But they are on a domestic itinerary.

If you flew United Domestically in last few months the only reason you had to pay for seat selection was if you wanted Economy Plus. Outside of new basic economy fare you do not have to pay for selecting a normal coach seat on United.

NEDude 02-28-2017 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Half wing (Post 2310665)
From the other thread,
"A friend of mine just posted their experience on Norwegian. I'm paraphrasing but, the seats were cramped and uncomfortable (more than normal coach seats) and they weighed everything they had i.e. Wallet, neck pillow, backpack, cellphone, if all carry on items are over 7 kilos you are charged extra. I think they will have some success but the out of the way departure locations, the bad accommodations and the extra charges will limit their appeal. We need to continue to be a quality experience"

I would never fly on NAI but I don't need to to know they are just like any other ULCC. I'm not saying beyond that. It is what it is. They have their place in the market. Some on here seem to accept lower QOL and pay as the new norm. It sad to see the erosion of our profession. Nedude, you seem to take pleasure in it. Enjoy your misery. Now, what should I spend my 18k bonus on?:D

BS. I have ridden Norwegian 8 round trips in the past year, including twice to the States. Not once, EVER, were carry on bags weighed. Norwegian has a very large operation at my home airport and I have NEVER, ever, seen them weighing carry on items. My experience on Norwegian on the long haul operation is comparable to the legacy airlines. Within Europe their product is similar to the European legacy airlines and FAR outclasses the US domestic products. Come back when you can speak from personal experience.

And sorry to disappoint you, but I am quite happy.

NEDude 02-28-2017 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11 (Post 2310721)
If you flew United Domestically in last few months the only reason you had to pay for seat selection was if you wanted Economy Plus. Outside of new basic economy fare you do not have to pay for selecting a normal coach seat on United.

Correction, I used some points from SAS for my most recent flights in the States on United. The year before I had to pay for seat assignments.

NEDude 02-28-2017 10:15 AM

Half Wing, I have to ask you this - do you even read what you write? I mean seriously, none of it makes any sense.

Examples - You talk about "the erosion of our profession" despite the fact that pay has been steadily increasing over the past five years. Two sentences after you talk about the erosion of the industry, you brag about your $18k bonus. Regional airlines are offering huge bonuses and flow through agreements. So which is it? Is the industry eroding or is pay increasing and you are collecting $18k bonuses?

Another example - You claim Norwegian has cramped seats when the data shows their seat pitch and width is the same as it is on United (and higher than on American...).

You say that you "don't have to fly on them to know what kind of ***** they are selling". How do you know? Do you really think you have more knowledge about what it is like to fly on them than I do?

You seem to be of the belief that supply and demand means that low demand (less pilot jobs) compared to supply (pilots) is somehow beneficial to the supply (pilots). You also claim that NAI is dragging down salaries yet offer no examples of lower paying airlines dragging down pay at other airlines.

You also seem to think I am the unhappy one when you are the one on here complaining.

I mean seriously dude. If you are making a lot of money and raking in $18k bonuses every year, enjoy your life. Stop worrying so much about something that has ZERO evidence of actually happening (eroding the profession).

ItnStln 02-28-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2310726)
BS. I have ridden Norwegian 8 round trips in the past year, including twice to the States. Not once, EVER, were carry on bags weighed. Norwegian has a very large operation at my home airport and I have NEVER, ever, seen them weighing carry on items. My experience on Norwegian on the long haul operation is comparable to the legacy airlines. Within Europe their product is similar to the European legacy airlines and FAR outclasses the US domestic products. Come back when you can speak from personal experience.

And sorry to disappoint you, but I am quite happy.

I'm glad to hear from someone who's actually flown on Norwegian instead of just reading what people have heard.

intrepidcv11 02-28-2017 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2310729)
Correction, I used some points from SAS for my most recent flights in the States on United. The year before I had to pay for seat assignments.

Correction you did not pay for economy seat selection on UAL in 2015 unless you selected an economy plus seat. UAL has never charged for Econ seat selection before the introduction of basic economy this month. If you paid otherwise you got played.


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