Norwegian (NAI) - 5,000 tickets in 6 hrs
02-27-2017, 09:52 AM
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Norwegian (NAI) - 5,000 tickets in 6 hrs
So how long before we start pulling back our flying to Europe because of NAI? Our flights to DUB - SNN - EDI will be the first to feel the hit.
"Norwegian Air sells a record 5,000 seats to Ireland in six hours"
Norwegian Air sells a record 5,000 seats to Ireland in six hours | IrishCentral.com
"Norwegian Air sells a record 5,000 seats to Ireland in six hours"
Norwegian Air sells a record 5,000 seats to Ireland in six hours | IrishCentral.com
02-27-2017, 10:22 AM
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I just went to see if those low fares are just teaser fares at odd times but I priced a ticket to Dublin from Stewart for 5 days right over Thanksgiving and it came out to $289 round-trip including taxes. On the same days you can purchase a basic economy ticket on Delta for $550...about double.
02-27-2017, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
I just went to see if those low fares are just teaser fares at odd times but I priced a ticket to Dublin from Stewart for 5 days right over Thanksgiving and it came out to $289 round-trip including taxes. On the same days you can purchase a basic economy ticket on Delta for $550...about double.
Norwegian fares don't include taxes on the return leg. So really the prices are about $100 less and you don't get snacks, are crammed in a max capacity configured cabin, and have to either live near or get to one of the airports they serve.
Not really a good deal.
02-27-2017, 11:00 AM
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The novelty of NAI will wear off, and frankly they're probably mostly attracting passengers that otherwise wouldn't be traveling. Think back 20 years ago to SWA, AirTran, and now Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant. Do we need to be aware of market trends and react smartly? Sure. We'll be fine. Our niche is the business traveler who's vested in Delta through their company, credit cards, and our vast network, all of which NAI can't touch (it took SWA 40 years to become a major player).
We should take notice and respond where it makes good business sense, but I'm not ready to sell the house and put the kids on the curb just yet.
Maybe all that JVing makes a little sense after all...
We should take notice and respond where it makes good business sense, but I'm not ready to sell the house and put the kids on the curb just yet.
Maybe all that JVing makes a little sense after all...
02-27-2017, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Norwegian fares don't include taxes on the return leg. So really the prices are about $100 less and you don't get snacks, are crammed in a max capacity configured cabin, and have to either live near or get to one of the airports they serve.
Not really a good deal.
Not really a good deal.
Here's another example:
New York to Edinburgh on NAI = $695.80
Same days on AA = $940, same days on DL = Over $1,300
So AA is 50% more expensive then NAI (the cheapest non-stop) and DL is about double.
02-27-2017, 05:29 PM
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Side question:
The Boeing website shows the 737-800 barely having enough range to reach Halifax from London. That's not considering any headwinds, contingency fuel etc.
How is NAI running the 737-800 from New York to EDI, DUB etc? Auxiliary tanks? They would need about 7,000 pounds of fuel per 450nm or so (400 in the winter with headwinds). SWF-YHZ is a little over 500nm so you're talking an extra 8,000-8,500 lbs of fuel at least. Won't that likely mean weight restrictions?
Maybe one of you guys can break it down for me to get a better understanding.
The Boeing website shows the 737-800 barely having enough range to reach Halifax from London. That's not considering any headwinds, contingency fuel etc.
How is NAI running the 737-800 from New York to EDI, DUB etc? Auxiliary tanks? They would need about 7,000 pounds of fuel per 450nm or so (400 in the winter with headwinds). SWF-YHZ is a little over 500nm so you're talking an extra 8,000-8,500 lbs of fuel at least. Won't that likely mean weight restrictions?
Maybe one of you guys can break it down for me to get a better understanding.
02-27-2017, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DALFA
Side question:
The Boeing website shows the 737-800 barely having enough range to reach Halifax from London. That's not considering any headwinds, contingency fuel etc.
How is NAI running the 737-800 from New York to EDI, DUB etc? Auxiliary tanks? They would need about 7,000 pounds of fuel per 450nm or so (400 in the winter with headwinds). SWF-YHZ is a little over 500nm so you're talking an extra 8,000-8,500 lbs of fuel at least. Won't that likely mean weight restrictions?
Maybe one of you guys can break it down for me to get a better understanding.
The Boeing website shows the 737-800 barely having enough range to reach Halifax from London. That's not considering any headwinds, contingency fuel etc.
How is NAI running the 737-800 from New York to EDI, DUB etc? Auxiliary tanks? They would need about 7,000 pounds of fuel per 450nm or so (400 in the winter with headwinds). SWF-YHZ is a little over 500nm so you're talking an extra 8,000-8,500 lbs of fuel at least. Won't that likely mean weight restrictions?
Maybe one of you guys can break it down for me to get a better understanding.
They are flying Max-8s. Much longer range. They are the delivery customer since SWA deferred its first few orders.
02-27-2017, 05:53 PM
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Norwegian (NAI) - 5,000 tickets in 6 hrs
Originally Posted by DALFA
The website says the price includes all taxes and fees. This fare also includes food on-board, a seat assignment, and 1 checked bag per person (same as legacy carriers)
Here's another example:
New York to Edinburgh on NAI = $695.80
Same days on AA = $940, same days on DL = Over $1,300
So AA is 50% more expensive then NAI (the cheapest non-stop) and DL is about double.
Here's another example:
New York to Edinburgh on NAI = $695.80
Same days on AA = $940, same days on DL = Over $1,300
So AA is 50% more expensive then NAI (the cheapest non-stop) and DL is about double.
My bust. The teaser fares didn't include any of that stuff but it looks like going on their website that the non teaser fares you can bundle some of the stuff with it. The reason the return tickets cost so much more is the added on taxes.
Honestly though, unless you are a local, the transfer to and from those airports to the target cities along with the time lost doesn't make it worth the difference in fare.
If you live in Stewart or Providence, it is a great deal. If you live in Boston or NYC, not so much. Same with Europeans visiting the US.
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