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Old 06-27-2017, 08:50 PM
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When's the last time one of the big 3 had a fatal incident due to pilot error , or had one of their pilots ask the passengers to pray instead of acting like a freaking pilot and secure the aircraft? Give me a break. Air Asia is a Ponzi scheme filled with dudes who shouldn't be driving a car let alone an airplane.
I'm an old guy. I remember many fatal U.S crashes. American 587 was assumed to be pilot error. Alaska 261, poor maintenance on jack screw. Comair Lexington, KY crash, pilot error. Val u jet in Everglades inflight fire, Colgan Air crash Buffalo, pilot error. I can go on and on. Although we in the USA have better maintenance and training than third world countries, we are far from perfect. Accidents and incidents will happen. I'm not defending the likes of Air Asia at all, I'm just saying that sh!t happens in aviation. We need to agree that no one is immune from the dangers of flight in general.
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Old 06-28-2017, 07:03 PM
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I'm an old guy. I remember many fatal U.S crashes. American 587 was assumed to be pilot error. Alaska 261, poor maintenance on jack screw. Comair Lexington, KY crash, pilot error. Val u jet in Everglades inflight fire, Colgan Air crash Buffalo, pilot error. I can go on and on. Although we in the USA have better maintenance and training than third world countries, we are far from perfect. Accidents and incidents will happen. I'm not defending the likes of Air Asia at all, I'm just saying that sh!t happens in aviation. We need to agree that no one is immune from the dangers of flight in general.
100% agree, complacency kills and we as aviators in the US are not immuned...my point is that US aviation is held to a higher standard than Air Asia and that their outfit is questionable. It is irrelevant (not speaking to you) to bring up "oh but other airlines have incidents too." But hey, if some 20 year old backpacker wants to save maybe 200$ on a ticket, go right ahead. My family won't ride on them.
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Old 06-28-2017, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by C130driver View Post
100% agree, complacency kills and we as aviators in the US are not immuned...my point is that US aviation is held to a higher standard than Air Asia and that their outfit is questionable. It is irrelevant (not speaking to you) to bring up "oh but other airlines have incidents too." But hey, if some 20 year old backpacker wants to save maybe 200$ on a ticket, go right ahead. My family won't ride on them.
Couldn't agree more my friend. In the USA, we do operate at a much higher standard than most of the world but we should always strive to do better as safety is the key to success. I personally wouldn't allow my family to travel on these shady outfits but the general public doesn't know any better unfortunately.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:56 PM
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Almost every major airline in the USA has had a fatal crash so I don't know where that argument fits. I'm not a fan of Air Asia, all I'm saying is that it's a well known product that is profitable in that region of the world. That's all.
Yeah... over a stretch of decades and decades. Air Asias are fairly new. And they've done pretty terrible for their existence so far.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by C130driver View Post
False, at the end of the day if you fly pax, your sole job besides safety is customer service. How freaked out were the passengers? How much faith did they have in their "pilot" after he was so unconfident that he needed his pax to "pray?" Calm cool collected anyone? The guy shouldn't be flying airplanes.
Did they or didn't they landed the airplane safely?

Pardon me if I don't join you in critisism of another professional aviator whom we don't know personnaly, based on some news media report, because one thing we both know is how inaccurate those can be.

They landed the airplane safely......., How much of a better outcome do we need as professional aviators not to engage in badmouthing a fellow pilot?
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Heard that it was not windmilling they never shut it down. If true that is absolutely crazy.


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Old 06-29-2017, 06:29 PM
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Did they or didn't they landed the airplane safely?

Pardon me if I don't join you in critisism of another professional aviator whom we don't know personnaly, based on some news media report, because one thing we both know is how inaccurate those can be.

They landed the airplane safely......., How much of a better outcome do we need as professional aviators not to engage in badmouthing a fellow pilot?
I see your point- but at the end of the day "landing the plane" is a pretty low standard to judge a professional aviator. That's a basic requirement from a ride 2-3 PPL student. This profession demands standards and calling it ugly when it's ugly isn't badmouthing, it's the truth. Would you trust your family to fly on that pilot's airplane?
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Old 06-29-2017, 06:43 PM
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They must have skipped this preflight item:

"Every superstitious passenger has ways of dealing with the existential uncertainties of air travel, but the ground crew of one Pakistani airliner raised the stakes on preflight rituals when it sacrificed a goat on the runway."
-NYT 1/18/17
Was it a virgin? The goat, of course.

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Old 06-29-2017, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by C130driver View Post
I see your point- but at the end of the day "landing the plane" is a pretty low standard to judge a professional aviator. That's a basic requirement from a ride 2-3 PPL student. This profession demands standards and calling it ugly when it's ugly isn't badmouthing, it's the truth. Would you trust your family to fly on that pilot's airplane?
And you made the determination of the "Truth" from an article? Because those are so accurate

You don't know this man, you where not on this flight, you don't know neither his experience nor his background and quite frankly, you are just making a determination of his professionalism on information that you have no idea if it is true.

How many times have these articles been proven wrong?
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Old 06-29-2017, 07:39 PM
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Yeah... over a stretch of decades and decades. Air Asias are fairly new. And they've done pretty terrible for their existence so far.
You must be new to this country or else you would have known about the air disasters we have had in the USA. Again, not defending Air Asia but I believe they have had 1 fatal accident so far. Aside from accidents from mechanicals and pilot error, Muslim terrorists are the biggest threat to aviation in America.
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