captjns

Well... at the end of the day, one doesn’t need to know the secret hand shake to be offered employment with AA DAL UAL etal.

NEDude

According to the latest APC numbers there are 44,235 pilots employed by the legacy airlines. Add Southwest, FedEx and UPS into the mix and you get 60,809. According to the FAA, at the end of 2017 there were 159,825 active ATP licenses. 38% of all active ATPs are employed by the above named airlines. Were not talking about some super exclusive club here.

B757

..Sniper, maybe you should go out there yourself and see how a QUALITY airline operates..Choose your days off, and enjoy the business-class ride home and back..

..For some of us, it is not about the money, it is about the quality of life..
..Not everybody wants to work for Delta..

Fly safe,
B757

iflysky

I'm ex-Air Japan and now work for Delta, so perhaps I can chime in. My time at Air Japan was good and I don't have much negative to say about them. They followed the terms of the contract closely and then some. I met some great people, seen cool things and ate some wild food. However, you were always made aware and constantly reminded that you are a "contractor, temporary foreign labor help" and as such, I always felt that I was there to fly the scraps or the leftovers of what the unionized ANA pilots didn't want. Kinda gave me that "second class citizen" feeing. Yes, business class commute and money were good, but it definitely was not easy dealing with a 14 hour time zone change between US and Japan and then on top of that the flip-flop night/day schedules, with mostly night freighter runs between China and Okinawa. I definitely worked hard to make that buck while constantly battling a jet lag high.

Delta is a completely different environment. A unionized airline where I'm a citizen of my own country flying for my own airline with full rights. I see my family much more, fly better schedules, eat and live healthier, sleep way better and make more money. Yes, this can change overnight and this career is extremely unpredictable, but for now, I'm very happy to have made the move back to US and be working for a legacy.

To each his own, but I assure you, it was not easy to get here and for anyone to say "yes I can get an interview tomorrow at Delta", is completely out of touch with reality. It's a very competitive process and an internal recommendation is just a fraction of the overall hiring process. You have to form part of the Delta mold and that's what they are trying to figure out from your app - if you'll fit in with the corporate culture.

captjns

Some may be in agreement and disagree with your opinion that its tough to get an interview at DAL.

I can aver, a number of colleagues Ive flown with, overseas, are currently with DAL. Fit the DAL mold? Heck... all non corned beef on white bread with mayo types. Fun guys and gals to fly with. But then again, its supply and demand. I guess DAL has to... they can fit the preverbal square peg into the round hole.

Some are of the same paradigm about SW, AA, UAL, Fed Ex, UPS. Go figure.

Sniper66

As per DALPA
23 pilots directly from overseas got hired by Delta since 8/2012 out of 4324 new hires.

You do have a chance and I know you can get an interview when ever you want ..sure

Again directly from not the ones stopovers at JB Spirit etc no record kept from them

Andy

Ashley's now a UAL FO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T-ujzU6vSc

GogglesPisano

From Emirates 777CA to UAL narrowbody FO.

Puts things in perspective doesn't it?

I flew with a newhire on the 717 last year. Came from the right seat of an Emirates 777. He seemed extremely happy with his choice.

captjns

Good for Ashley. Her upgrade may not be in the too distant future with retirements, and expansion.

Andy

For those curious about Norwegian's finances, here are links to Norwegian's first quarter results and presentation.

https://www.norwegian.com/globalasse...018-report.pdf

https://www.norwegian.com/globalasse...esentation.pdf