FAA ATP working for European regional?
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FAA ATP working for European regional?
Hi all, I'm prior military with about 800 TT, about 650 of which are turbine (T-6, T-38, F-16). I have an FAA ATP with the "holder doesn't meet ICAO requirements" restriction. Is there any way for me to get an FO job at a European regional/low-cost airline without getting another 700 hours to hit 1500 TT and remove the ICAO restriction? What about private/corporate gigs like NetJets or whatever the European equivalent is, where I might only need a Commercial certificate and not an ATP? I don't mind taking certification tests if I need to.
I don't plan on working for the airlines long-term...I'm thinking about doing a sort of "gap year" after I get out of the military somewhere in Europe where I'm living somewhere fun, getting paid a (barely) livable wage, and have lots of time to travel, before settling down into a proper job. I just wanted to see if spending that year flying commercially would be feasible with my experience or not. I'm happy to consider "time building" jobs like aerial sightseeing, instructing, etc if they pay OK. Thank you!
I don't plan on working for the airlines long-term...I'm thinking about doing a sort of "gap year" after I get out of the military somewhere in Europe where I'm living somewhere fun, getting paid a (barely) livable wage, and have lots of time to travel, before settling down into a proper job. I just wanted to see if spending that year flying commercially would be feasible with my experience or not. I'm happy to consider "time building" jobs like aerial sightseeing, instructing, etc if they pay OK. Thank you!
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Turkish airlines, mainline, was the only Euro carrier I recall with an FAA certificate being ok...but that had a time limit to convert, and was for heavy jets...
Think you are out if luck...
And have you ever met a commuter Pilot with TIME to travel? Lol
Think you need to Honestly look at what you think the job will entail...
Most companies will laugh at you wanting to work a year after doing 2 months if training, then IOE for another month (or more depending on assignments)....1/3 of your year is already gone....
Sorry to be the voice if reason...
Think you are out if luck...
And have you ever met a commuter Pilot with TIME to travel? Lol
Think you need to Honestly look at what you think the job will entail...
Most companies will laugh at you wanting to work a year after doing 2 months if training, then IOE for another month (or more depending on assignments)....1/3 of your year is already gone....
Sorry to be the voice if reason...
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Turkish airlines, mainline, was the only Euro carrier I recall with an FAA certificate being ok...but that had a time limit to convert, and was for heavy jets...
Think you are out if luck...
And have you ever met a commuter Pilot with TIME to travel? Lol
Think you need to Honestly look at what you think the job will entail...
Most companies will laugh at you wanting to work a year after doing 2 months if training, then IOE for another month (or more depending on assignments)....1/3 of your year is already gone....
Sorry to be the voice if reason...
Think you are out if luck...
And have you ever met a commuter Pilot with TIME to travel? Lol
Think you need to Honestly look at what you think the job will entail...
Most companies will laugh at you wanting to work a year after doing 2 months if training, then IOE for another month (or more depending on assignments)....1/3 of your year is already gone....
Sorry to be the voice if reason...
I don’t mind spending a couple thousand $ on testing for a euro certificate if I need to, but I can’t really justify a $30+k full euro ATP course when I already have an FAA ATP.
And I figure I don’t have to tell them I’m planning on leaving in a year’s time, right? Do most commuter jobs usually have contracts where you’re obligated to stay for x number of years? If yes, then yeah, seems like I’m out of luck, but if not then I figure I can just leave the job whenever I want, right?
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No worries, I’m looking for a reasonable answer! Like I said, it was just an idea I had, just wanted to see if it’s feasable.
I don’t mind spending a couple thousand $ on testing for a euro certificate if I need to, but I can’t really justify a $30+k full euro ATP course when I already have an FAA ATP.
And I figure I don’t have to tell them I’m planning on leaving in a year’s time, right? Do most commuter jobs usually have contracts where you’re obligated to stay for x number of years? If yes, then yeah, seems like I’m out of luck, but if not then I figure I can just leave the job whenever I want, right?
I don’t mind spending a couple thousand $ on testing for a euro certificate if I need to, but I can’t really justify a $30+k full euro ATP course when I already have an FAA ATP.
And I figure I don’t have to tell them I’m planning on leaving in a year’s time, right? Do most commuter jobs usually have contracts where you’re obligated to stay for x number of years? If yes, then yeah, seems like I’m out of luck, but if not then I figure I can just leave the job whenever I want, right?
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If you have the right to live and work in EU then something should turn up.
If you have the right to live and work in EU then something should turn up.
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Right now I believe the only option to fly for a European airline on an FAA certificate is with Norwegian. The only bases available for that are Stateside, FLL for the 787 or PVD/SWF for the 737.
If you wish to fly in Europe, you will need an "unlimited right to live and work in Europe", which means citizenship* in an EU/EEA country or Switzerland, plus an EASA license. On top of that, most European carriers expect you to have a type rating in an aircraft which they operate, and they do not provide that type rating without some sort of training bond.
*- I say citizenship because for all intents and purposes, that is the only way to have unlimited right to live and work all throughout EU/EEA/CH. A temporary or permanent residence permit only allows for the right to live and work in one specific country, not all of Europe.
If you wish to fly in Europe, you will need an "unlimited right to live and work in Europe", which means citizenship* in an EU/EEA country or Switzerland, plus an EASA license. On top of that, most European carriers expect you to have a type rating in an aircraft which they operate, and they do not provide that type rating without some sort of training bond.
*- I say citizenship because for all intents and purposes, that is the only way to have unlimited right to live and work all throughout EU/EEA/CH. A temporary or permanent residence permit only allows for the right to live and work in one specific country, not all of Europe.
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Right now I believe the only option to fly for a European airline on an FAA certificate is with Norwegian. The only bases available for that are Stateside, FLL for the 787 or PVD/SWF for the 737.
If you wish to fly in Europe, you will need an "unlimited right to live and work in Europe", which means citizenship* in an EU/EEA country or Switzerland, plus an EASA license. On top of that, most European carriers expect you to have a type rating in an aircraft which they operate, and they do not provide that type rating without some sort of training bond.
*- I say citizenship because for all intents and purposes, that is the only way to have unlimited right to live and work all throughout EU/EEA/CH. A temporary or permanent residence permit only allows for the right to live and work in one specific country, not all of Europe.
If you wish to fly in Europe, you will need an "unlimited right to live and work in Europe", which means citizenship* in an EU/EEA country or Switzerland, plus an EASA license. On top of that, most European carriers expect you to have a type rating in an aircraft which they operate, and they do not provide that type rating without some sort of training bond.
*- I say citizenship because for all intents and purposes, that is the only way to have unlimited right to live and work all throughout EU/EEA/CH. A temporary or permanent residence permit only allows for the right to live and work in one specific country, not all of Europe.
Fly safe,
B757
#9
Every company can define what they will accept, and there may be some companies that accept a residence permit. But generally speaking, if a company requires you to have "unlimited" right to live and work in the EU/EEA/CH, they mean a right that is not limited by time, by marriage, or to a specific country.
If you need to know specifics regarding your own situation, you can look at this website which is run by the European Commission. They can give you a proper and official answer:
http://ec.europa.eu/citizensrights/f...d/index_en.htm
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1. You need right to work
2. If you have #1, you need an EASA commercial license, or more commonly a “frozen ATPL” which means having passed the 14 ATPL exams and getting your commercial license. (Europe does not have the same requirement to have an ATP for the airlines). In Europe, a 200 hour wet-ink commercial pilot can fly an A320 or 737. Heck, I’ve got a friend and the only jet she has flown in her career is an A330.
3. If you want to work in the US, all regionals will take you with the restricted ATP and will remove the restriction once you meet 1500.
2. If you have #1, you need an EASA commercial license, or more commonly a “frozen ATPL” which means having passed the 14 ATPL exams and getting your commercial license. (Europe does not have the same requirement to have an ATP for the airlines). In Europe, a 200 hour wet-ink commercial pilot can fly an A320 or 737. Heck, I’ve got a friend and the only jet she has flown in her career is an A330.
3. If you want to work in the US, all regionals will take you with the restricted ATP and will remove the restriction once you meet 1500.
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