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MasterOfPuppets 04-13-2018 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2571642)
What makes your pride of the skies so wonerful to work for? From what Ive read on the UAL section, your airline doesn’t seem to be beer and skittles.

Now, MOP, in your own words, no rhetoric mind you... why do you think NAI, other than low pay, isn’t such a great place to work for.
Again, you need to share with us your own experiences, and not form the 7-11 cashier’s working experience with them.

How did you find the training at NAI?
How did you find the condition of the aircraft when you flew for NAI?
Layover hotels provided by NAI?

Please enlighten this forum.

1. Im sure the training at NAI is fine....its European so its probably overly complicated.

2. I will never step foot on a NAI aircraft so I will never be able to answer that question.

3. I don't care how good the layovers are.....who would work for an airline based on the hotels? :rolleyes:

FLAG OF CONVENIENCE.....Im not interested in my career turning into the shipping industry.

captjns 04-13-2018 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by T28driver (Post 2571667)
Can I play?

Also, for clarity, are we just talking about NAI? Or can we talk about NAS, NAL, NAA, and NAU too in the conglomerate sense? Asking because some people like to play that game. Let’s just call it “Norwegian”. Deal? Deal.

I don’t care about the training. European knowledge and medical standards are generally far more rigorous than the ones we deal with in the US.

I don’t care about the layover hotels.

The aircraft are probably beautiful, since most of them are brand new.

If you read my post history, I don’t believe I have ever discussed the safety of the airline, the professionalism of the crews, or the maintenance.

That isn’t what this is about. It’s about protecting the jobs and standard of living for pilots here in the United States. Norwegian playing by the rules. I want those rules to change. Preferably in a way that excludes them, and the other carriers that will follow, from the US market.

Not unless you are a designated agent, and or representative of MOP.

However, you miss the basic point that your own carrier, provided, you are employed by AA, UAL, or DAL, that they are probably committing greater harm to your lively hood with outsourcing your work in the name of code sharing.

If I may ask T28... how long have you been with a your current carrier?

T28driver 04-13-2018 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2571896)

FLAG OF CONVENIENCE.....Im not interested in my career turning into the shipping industry.

This. Nothing but this.

And, please, all of the Norwegian defenders, stop with the “everything they are doing is legal” argument. Flags of convenience are legal in the shipping world. They shouldn’t be. The way that Norwegian is operating is legal...right now. Laws and treaties can change. There are far more people employed by the US airline industry than were by the US shipping industry even at its height.

Votes matter these days.

T28driver 04-13-2018 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2571913)
Not unless you are a designated agent, and or representative of MOP.

However, you miss the basic point that your own carrier, provided, you are employed by AA, UAL, or DAL, that they are probably committing greater harm to your lively hood with outsourcing your work in the name of code sharing.

captjns, I believe I covered joint ventures in a previous post to you. They are an additional threat. Flags of Convenience are a threat as well. I’m equal opportunity when it comes to threats to my profession. This thread is about Norwegian. Just because other things are causing “greater harm” doesn’t mean the the Flag of Convenience model gets a pass. It’s a solid deflection attempt, and I salute you for it.

Unlike most, I have firsthand knowledge of the shipping industry and I have been directly affected by flags of convenience. So I beat the drum and try to rally the troops, because Master of Puppets is right. The flag of convenience model in aviation must be eliminated, preferably through legislative means.

sailingfun 04-14-2018 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2571433)
Most recently, Toys R Us.

Exactly, buy Toys R Us, load it with debt as you suck out all the cash. Shut it down, move on to next company. Most Amazing thing is Toys R US was profitable at the end. They had however been sucked dry.

NEDude 04-26-2018 08:01 AM

Update-

Norwegian reveals that they have attracted interest from other parties after the IAG announcement. Bjørn Kjos has also softened his resistance to a sale, now saying that everything is for sale if the price is right.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ids-beyond-iag

Andy 04-26-2018 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by NEDude (Post 2580607)
Update-

Norwegian reveals that they have attracted interest from other parties after the IAG announcement. Bjørn Kjos has also softened his resistance to a sale, now saying that everything is for sale if the price is right.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ids-beyond-iag

After Norwegian's quarterly report and restated 2017 financials, I'm sure everything's for sale because the cash burn rate is stupefying. They're papering over the cash burn rate by selling everything including the office toilet paper and light bulbs. It would be cheaper to shut down the operation and start a huge bonfire using $100 bills as fuel.

Another take on the 'takeover' prospects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.b1985c2a506c

Sniper66 04-26-2018 11:44 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2580673)
After Norwegian's quarterly report and restated 2017 financials, I'm sure everything's for sale because the cash burn rate is stupefying. They're papering over the cash burn rate by selling everything including the office toilet paper and light bulbs. It would be cheaper to shut down the operation and start a huge bonfire using $100 bills as fuel.

Another take on the 'takeover' prospects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.b1985c2a506c









Latest news they can’t take all deliveries and spinning off a leasing company

That’s the nail in their coffin

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