galaxy flyer

Can there possibly be any left?

airscout,

There is no such thing as a “protected class” for beards. If an employer doesn’t want employees to wear beards, it’s hardly Jim Crow era stuff. In Canada, my company allowed crews to wear beards, for the US crews, not so much. BFD!

GF

Cirrus2turbine

Take a peak of dozens of V-LOGS on YouTube form pilots posting vids/pics. Literally dozens and dozens of dudes sporting stubble and short beards. Much more relaxed about it in Europe than North America and the culture here.

Having served in the USMC and been in Law Enforcement I've always been clean shaven for work. As I transition to a new career (flying!) I see more and more relaxed facial hair standards and I for one welcome it. Tired of shaving every day and like the "stubble" look!

4runner

That’s what CAPTAIN means.

4runner

My current gig(121) allows beards and so does our FAA rep. It seems all our FO’s(myself included) have beards. We occasionally have issues JS’ing. I get funny looks too in uniform, usually from RJ astronauts and deltoids.

aviatorhi

Too bad it's not the FAA.

Just another "rule" invented in the civilian world by people who came out of the military. Like pilots not being able to have the same meal.

In that case CAPTAIN means ASSHAT.

tomgoodman

Just be thankful they didn’t come out of the circus.

boschpilot

Circus performers can at least land on the ground without breaking anything. Maybe we should to learn to accept the times we live in and conform to standards used by the rest of the world.

SaltyDog

Factually dependent on many variables (Mask types, pressure systems, etc)
Air Canada study only checked from 10000 to FL250, They should check at higher altitudes as Time of Useful Consciousness dramatically is impacted by altitude. Only used one hazmat sample. Cargo dogs can face many more hazmat threats. There is leakage. Just deemed acceptable for Air Canada at the low rates from the limited testing they accomplished.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...cumentID/22765

and this classic USN study of the topic determined to prohibit beards for pressure oxygen crewed aircraft. (And still do)

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/754075.pdf

Science in these studies is not necessarily obsolete or false from these studies, but masks types do change. Though Air Canada flawed in ending study on impact only to FL250. However, no one really cares. Its all about comfort and looking cool, not safety. Airline management teams the world over are thrilled Im sure

Fr8Thrust

On a side-note, the full-face O2/Smoke mask is one-size-fits-most and doesn’t fit every face type, even without facial hair. Those with narrower faces, and even those who wear glasses, experience a leakage and we deem that risk acceptable everyday.