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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2732221)

IF Norwegian is putting upward pressure on pilot wages in euroland, that's a euroland problem. No need to export crappy euro wages to the rest of the world.
Norwegian and WoW's business models are doomed to failure.

Downward pressure on wages is definitely not an issue in the US and I doubt it will be considering current regional wages and they're still short of pilots.

In that case i once again wonder about the vitriol against Norwegian, while not being against Lufthansa (they do fly A330s over the north atlantic with a max salary of €107k/year for their skippers). British airways is doing the same with its subsidiary Open Sky and Level. And hope that neither of the LCCs use the increased range of their respective re-engined workhorses, after all they all have hundreds of them on order (100+ MAX for ryanair, 150 fixed plus 100 options for easyjet, 140 for wizzair), all of them transatlantic capable.

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Originally Posted by Denti (Post 2733111)

You might want to correct Reuters on Lufthansa's pilot salaries. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-l...-idUSKBN16M180

And another source that says you're wrong: Lufthansa German Airlines pilot jobs news for airline pilots and aviation schools

One source is incorrect, and my bet is that it's you, Denti. As for the rest of your post, there are a finite number of LCC CEOs that think TATL LCC operations could possibly be profitable. I'll assume the ones who got educated for 'free' in euroland think that Freddie Laker was a genius. Most of us recognize that he was a genius at losing money.

He probably means their SunExpress half wholly owned company flying wet leases for Eurowings (A330). Eurowings is taking more and more Lufthansa flying these days

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Originally Posted by BigfatQ (Post 2733353)

He probably means their SunExpress half wholly owned company flying wet leases for Eurowings (A330). Eurowings is taking more and more Lufthansa flying these days

Eurowings doesn't fly TATL. They only go as far as Reykjavik. And the flight I pulled up for KEF was a 737 flown by TUfly.

SunExpress also doesn't fly TATL.

Ok let's split hairs. SunExpress Deutschland flies TATL for Eurowings.

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Originally Posted by Denti (Post 2733111)

Where exactly are you getting this info. I have a friend at Lufthansa who earns 250,000 Euro’s a year and say your statement is complete BS. How about a source?

Yep, they max out at about 25,000k a month ... excluding all their benefits.

BA pilots make a ton as well.

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Originally Posted by BigfatQ (Post 2733846)

Ok let's split hairs. SunExpress Deutschland flies TATL for Eurowings.

OK, please post a city pair, date of flight and flight number. I can't find any served by SunExpress.
But more to the point, SunExpress pilots are not on the Lufthansa seniority list so this is akin to someone characterizing a SkyWest Pilot as a United pilot.

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2733898)

I jumpseated with a Lufthansa pilot years ago.
He was hired by Lufthansa, sent to SunExpress, then sent to Lufthansa Cargo back to mainline Lufthansa. Lufthansa will send their pilots to companies they own when needed, were talking about a small percentage.