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Old 12-04-2019, 07:28 AM
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I've been offered a unique opportunity to fly a contract in Africa. Its a 1-2 month position flying a small cessna doing survey and wildlife management. All expenses are paid for, room board and travel are all covered. So anything I ask for in salary goes into my pocket. They have asked for my rate.

I have no idea how much to ask for as a daily or total contract rate. Can anyone advise me on what I should be asking for? I am in between jobs so the timing is good for a short term project. There is also an opportunity for this to turn into a long term thing.
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How about $1/day?
Are you for real?

First this:
https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/career-questions/125692-2-jobs-6-months-one-quit-one-fired-2.html#post2932154

Now “flying in Africa”?
You’re gonna run away on the third day.
If you last that long.
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Old 12-04-2019, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
How about $1/day?
Are you for real?

First this:
2 jobs in 6 months (one quit one fired)

Now “flying in Africa”?
You’re gonna run away on the third day.
If you last that long.
It's a immediate job. The airlines will likely not get back to me till Jan at the earliest. This gets me employed next week on a short term basis. Not running away I just have bills to pay. And I've already passed the hurdle of the last job issue.
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No you haven’t and no you wouldn’t.
In life it’s about choices bro.
This is not a good choice for you.
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No you haven’t and no you wouldn’t.
In life it’s about choices bro.
This is not a good choice for you.
You're not making sense. They have already offered me the job. I told them about the situation with the last two jobs so I have overcome the hurdle.

My choice is no income by turning down the job.

Or

Some minor income for 1-2 months while I search for a better opportunity.

So why is this not a good choice?
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I've been offered a unique opportunity to fly a contract in Africa. Its a 1-2 month position flying a small cessna doing survey and wildlife management. All expenses are paid for, room board and travel are all covered. So anything I ask for in salary goes into my pocket. They have asked for my rate.

I have no idea how much to ask for as a daily or total contract rate. Can anyone advise me on what I should be asking for? I am in between jobs so the timing is good for a short term project. There is also an opportunity for this to turn into a long term thing.
You'd better bring this question to PPRUNE:

https://www.pprune.org/african-aviation-37/

UK based but lots of detailed Africa information from people who are still flying there so they should be able to help you better. Just be prepared for some serious grilling about this little adventure.
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I wouldn’t worry about the $. I’d worry about their maintenance and survival rate.


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I wouldn’t worry about the $. I’d worry about their maintenance and survival rate.


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Very good advice. And I would add that "in Africa" covers an awful lot of ground. If you were more specific about the country, you might get more useful feedback. Also, and maybe most important, HAVE AN EXIT STRATEGY, so that no matter what happens,(company cuts you loose, refuses to pay you, etc.) you can get out and back home.

I've flown with numerous crewmembers over the years who had Africa flying on their resume, and most spoke of it as an adventure and without regret. Good luck!!
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You have any idea about Africa?
This is probably East Africa where they use foreign mercenaries to hunt down groups of roaming poachers.
Poachers with military grade weaponry that use machine guns on elephants...and airplanes.
You’ll be flying out of dirt strips.
Africa is NOT for the faint of heart.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/british-pilot-shot-dead-in-tanzania-on-anti-poaching-mission-a6844401.html

African conservationists 'shoot to kill poachers' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10992502

*besides any flight time in Africa will be useless for an application for a regional as they’ll have no way to verify your flight times, it’s SE and might as well as be Parker time.
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You have any idea about Africa?
This is probably East Africa where they use foreign mercenaries to hunt down groups of roaming poachers.
Poachers with military grade weaponry that use machine guns on elephants...and airplanes.
You’ll be flying out of dirt strips.
Africa is NOT for the faint of heart.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/british-pilot-shot-dead-in-tanzania-on-anti-poaching-mission-a6844401.html

African conservationists 'shoot to kill poachers' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10992502

*besides any flight time in Africa will be useless for an application for a regional as they’ll have no way to verify your flight times, it’s SE and might as well as be Parker time.
I flew in Africa for about 3 months, flew doctors to diseased areas, dropped food off at refugee camps, supply runs in general. It was a lot of fun and an eye opening experience as well. One of those things where I am super glad I did it, but not really wanting to go back again. I did it completely volunteer, so I don't know how much to ask for money wise. My advise just me sure you have enough money to cover "landing fees". Almost ended up in a Kenyan jail for not having any bribe money.
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