Emirates - how is it?
04-30-2020, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
I talk to the EK guys in customs. They are all beat to death. They say that you can call in fatigued, but you better spend your recovery polishing up your resume. I’d rather find work outside of aviation than go over there.
It still had its pluses along with minuses. I just find it comical with some comments on here that Fedex flies mostly at night, much more so than Emirates when in fact the night sort in MEM is the best comparison with what happens at DXB except with passengers in addition to pallets in EKs case. Again, an incredible operation, everything meticulously controlled, everyone is kept on a very tight leash and anyone who rocks the boat has no place......just not a nice place to work these days.
Last edited by Desdi; 04-30-2020 at 09:09 AM.
05-01-2020, 12:10 PM
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I have a lot of respect for the guys who still do it. I didn't know what chronic fatique really felt like till I started doing WB and back of the clock flying. EK, Atlas etc etc guys do it all the time. FedEx/UPS sure same thing but in its own league.
I am at an LCC now flying 1 or 2 legs a day 14-22 hour layovers domestic, good downtown hotels which is ten times easier. I feel like a human being again plus work rules (always trade / drop my trips to what I want them to be for the most part) and money is good. Never want to leave here. Of course, who knows what's going to happen now with all this stuff going on but.. Still happy I am here.
Like the guy above here said though, you will get to the point where you finally realize that a plane is a plane. If the money is good then all that matters is your QOL. I could care less what I fly or what seat I am in. I want to feel healthy and happy that's all there is.
I used to do hiring for one of the bigger regionals in the U.S. and always asked my candidates; 'if the music stopped tomorrow, would you be happy being stuck here..' I would have been very happy to build my career there. Happy I moved on but would have been happy.
If you are chasing equipment and temporary IG fame you will find the emptiness of it all soon enough.
ps: my advice is to work for a company you could see yourself staying long term with when the music stops. If you want to see the world you can JS on your days off. Now of course in the new world that doesn't apply who knows what the world / industry will look like going forward, but if things somewhat normalize that would be my advice..
I am at an LCC now flying 1 or 2 legs a day 14-22 hour layovers domestic, good downtown hotels which is ten times easier. I feel like a human being again plus work rules (always trade / drop my trips to what I want them to be for the most part) and money is good. Never want to leave here. Of course, who knows what's going to happen now with all this stuff going on but.. Still happy I am here.
Like the guy above here said though, you will get to the point where you finally realize that a plane is a plane. If the money is good then all that matters is your QOL. I could care less what I fly or what seat I am in. I want to feel healthy and happy that's all there is.
I used to do hiring for one of the bigger regionals in the U.S. and always asked my candidates; 'if the music stopped tomorrow, would you be happy being stuck here..' I would have been very happy to build my career there. Happy I moved on but would have been happy.
If you are chasing equipment and temporary IG fame you will find the emptiness of it all soon enough.
ps: my advice is to work for a company you could see yourself staying long term with when the music stops. If you want to see the world you can JS on your days off. Now of course in the new world that doesn't apply who knows what the world / industry will look like going forward, but if things somewhat normalize that would be my advice..
05-01-2020, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Desdi
Again a lot of common misconceptions here in the US about EK. EK and DXB is a massive global connection operation but with a space/runway issue. Think of the ATL connection hub but on a global scale (and no ATL, nor any US hub is ideal for truly global connections). Like ATL 80% of the traffic are just connecting there. The airport is optimized as such, with transit passengers facilities so no nationality even needs a transfer visa to pass through there because they never have to go through customs. When you see that EK 777 on the ramp in a US airport somewhere, the common natural thought is that that’s EK largest airplane, no that’s it’s smallest. So that 777 from Tehran was normally full of connecting passengers to LAX, JFK, ORD, LHR, SYD, CDG and probably 50 other points that you’ve never heard of with their connections timed almost all less than 2 hours on the ground. As you can see from my previous posts I have no love lost for the place, but it is an incredibly impressive operation. Also with the massive belly holds on all those passenger widebodies and a handful of 777Fs it’s also the second largest cargo airline in the world.
As for your specific questions, I don’t know what map you are looking at but Tehran is just under a 2 hour flight, Those were just turnaround flights, they would never ask for passports, but they knew who was who and all of us were treated with much more respect by airport staff than you normally see in the US. I would be far less concerned having to overnight in Iran then Detroit. The shortest were 30 min flts to Muscat and Bahrain, again “feeding the hub”.
As for your specific questions, I don’t know what map you are looking at but Tehran is just under a 2 hour flight, Those were just turnaround flights, they would never ask for passports, but they knew who was who and all of us were treated with much more respect by airport staff than you normally see in the US. I would be far less concerned having to overnight in Iran then Detroit. The shortest were 30 min flts to Muscat and Bahrain, again “feeding the hub”.
Interesting! Thanks for the info.
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05-01-2020, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Desdi
That or have your upgrade delayed or be forced to submit to a CDT liver enzyme test to test you for long term alcohol consumption, or be put under suspicion of having apnea.....right cause the schedule couldn’t possibly have caused it. This is why you have several American EK skippers returning to the rt seat of RJs. Again it was manageable and great experience back in the day, I have no regrets going over there when I did. But it’s a far different airline now.
It still had its pluses along with minuses. I just find it comical with some comments on here that Fedex flies mostly at night, much more so than Emirates when in fact the night sort in MEM is the best comparison with what happens at DXB except with passengers in addition to pallets in EKs case. Again, an incredible operation, everything meticulously controlled, everyone is kept on a very tight leash and anyone who rocks the boat has no place......just not a nice place to work these days.
It still had its pluses along with minuses. I just find it comical with some comments on here that Fedex flies mostly at night, much more so than Emirates when in fact the night sort in MEM is the best comparison with what happens at DXB except with passengers in addition to pallets in EKs case. Again, an incredible operation, everything meticulously controlled, everyone is kept on a very tight leash and anyone who rocks the boat has no place......just not a nice place to work these days.
05-01-2020, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by powersmurfuk1
Isn't that with anything in life? If you have the right attitude, you can go there, settle in and enjoy it. Go and do anything with a negative attitude and you'll always find a problem or issue.
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05-01-2020, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Desdi
Yup that’s what I said, and the minuses FAR outweigh the pluses at EK in its current form for a pilot from a 1st world country. None of us went in with a negative attitude, and I maintained a positive attitude until my last day. I simply left because of “the two buckets” theory, and both my buckets were full. The OP wanted an honest assessment of EK from Americans who have direct experience with the place so they can make a seriously reasoned decision. Ignore at your own risk.
its a moot point, they won’t be hiring RJ drivers for several years, plenty of heavy drivers looking for work.
its a moot point, they won’t be hiring RJ drivers for several years, plenty of heavy drivers looking for work.
05-01-2020, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by powersmurfuk1
Wasnt criticizing....at least you went and have a story to tell. How many people would make that move??
“ If you have the right attitude, you can go there, settle in and enjoy it. Go and do anything with a negative attitude and you'll always find a problem or issue.”
Is overly simplistic.
Anyways that will be my last contribution to this subject, good luck to ya!
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05-15-2020, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Desdi
No worries, My apologies if you think I took it as such. But yes we are trying tell that story to give him or her our reasoned opinions based on direct experience to help form their decision, the good, bad and ugly. But to say:
“ If you have the right attitude, you can go there, settle in and enjoy it. Go and do anything with a negative attitude and you'll always find a problem or issue.”
Is overly simplistic.
Anyways that will be my last contribution to this subject, good luck to ya!
“ If you have the right attitude, you can go there, settle in and enjoy it. Go and do anything with a negative attitude and you'll always find a problem or issue.”
Is overly simplistic.
Anyways that will be my last contribution to this subject, good luck to ya!
06-09-2020, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DylanHK
Thanks, appreciate the responses
Emirates begins mass layoffs
06-09-2020, 04:22 PM
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Difficult to get accurate numbers but the consensus seems to be:
270 probationary pilots
600 non-probationary out of seniority based on:
Long term sick
sick calls
warning letters
training failures
possibly age to retirement?
Majority from the A380 so far. Of the 600 most recent it is 400+ from A380.
add 7000 flight attendants and 17% of mechanics/engineering staff.
Pretty grim
I think the total pilot list was a tad over 4000 before this began.
270 probationary pilots
600 non-probationary out of seniority based on:
Long term sick
sick calls
warning letters
training failures
possibly age to retirement?
Majority from the A380 so far. Of the 600 most recent it is 400+ from A380.
add 7000 flight attendants and 17% of mechanics/engineering staff.
Pretty grim
I think the total pilot list was a tad over 4000 before this began.
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