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Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry
(Post 3182010)
I am really sorry that was too complex and long for you. Kind of mind boggling that it is, but okay, if you say so.
So far my prediction is holding true, they aren't gone yet, but looking like they will be a far smaller shell of their former selves. Their niche was, and should be again, the Scandinavian and Northern European short haul market. |
Are all the pilots employed by the company or they're independant "self-employed" contractor like Ryan air ?
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Originally Posted by lgaflyer
(Post 3182023)
Dont bother explaining. The fact that they cant be bothered reading any of it shows that many Americans have closed their mind on learning new concepts many moons ago. Just look at how many the flat earthers and fake news believers there are in America.
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Originally Posted by lgaflyer
(Post 3182023)
Dont bother explaining. The fact that they cant be bothered reading any of it shows that many Americans have closed their mind on learning new concepts many moons ago. Just look at how many the flat earthers and fake news believers there are in America.
Also, the management of those airlines want to see them die because they’ve depressed yield on the international routes with their ridiculously cheap fairs. |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 3182121)
Negative. Many Americans (as in pilots in this country) want to see them die because their 787 captains were making less than 737s at SWA, UAL, AA, or UAL.
Also, the management of those airlines want to see them die because they’ve depressed yield on the international routes with their ridiculously cheap fairs. |
Originally Posted by Thruster
(Post 3181635)
Yawn. There you are.
I will ask a simple question again, who did Norwegian outsource to? |
Originally Posted by NEDude
(Post 3182253)
Yep. It is a bit of a yawn. It is both tiring and strangely fascinating to see you guys get all angry and red in the face, and yet be so obviously ignorant as to the reasons why you are angry. It is almost like you are mindless drones who were told by their leader to be angry, so you got angry, and when presented with the evidence that shows why your anger is unjustified or misdirected, you ignore that because it doesn't fit in with the comfortable narrative their leader told them. Just look at the responses in this thread, there is a lot of "that's too complex for me to understand", and "I am not going to bother to read that", and just general deflection or ignoring of questions. If you don't have the self awareness to recognize your ignorance and that you are actively avoiding looking at evidence that might contradict your anger is actually quite pathetic. The verifiable evidence and explanations have been presented many times in this forum, with multiple links, and in a format nothing more than two or three paragraphs of reading, and you guys claim that is "too complicated" for you. Perhaps I should take your money and use it produce a three minute cartoon, that seems to be the most effective way of reaching you.
I will ask a simple question again, who did Norwegian outsource to? |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 3182121)
Negative. Many Americans (as in pilots in this country) want to see them die because their 787 captains were making less than 737s at SWA, UAL, AA, or UAL.
Also, the management of those airlines want to see them die because they’ve depressed yield on the international routes with their ridiculously cheap fairs. Start the fight for parody in pay in benefits on your home turf before trying to fix problems beyond your turf. |
Flags of convenience - just look at the ocean shipping industry to see how that worked out for labor.
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Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
(Post 3182292)
No one here is angry or red in the face. In fact it seems you are the one most frustrated that no one agrees with your garbage. US airlines flying to the EU use American flight crews. EU airlines flying to the US use EU flight crews. NAI flies from the EU to the US using an irish flag and crews from Bangkok. I personally don't care to hear your or anyone else's logic behind their hiring practices so keep pounding your drum until you're red in the face, glad they're done. I also hope and suspect that no US based carrier will hire any of these labor undercutting hacks either.
NAI did not use any Bangkok flight crews. The only crew base in BKK was a 787 crew base, which was operated by NAS, not NAI. That is lie number 1 that ALPA sold to you in their cartoon, Norwegian did not require a new Irish based AOC to open a BKK crew base, they were able to do that just fine with the Norwegian based AOC. There was only one pilot in BKK who was not a citizen of an EU/EEA country, and he was Australian. ALPA conveniently forgot to tell you that in their cartoon. As for the theory that the purpose of BKK was to screw labor by having lower costs, the BKK pilot base was closed almost two years ago as it was determined to not be cost effective and was always the smallest 787 base, behind LGW, CPH, CDG, FCO, BCN and even FLL. If it were cost effective, and served the purpose of screwing labor, it doesn't make any sense to keep it so small and then ultimately close it. For the record, as of January 2018, the 787 pilot seniority list for Norwegian showed the following nationality breakdown: 115 Norwegians 112 Dutch 110 British 90 Swedish 81 Danish 60 German 47 French 42 Italian 30 Belgian 27 Spanish 23 Irish 20 American 19 Austrian 13 Finnish 10 Swiss 6 Portugal 2 Czech 2 Hungarian 2 Latvian 1 Australian 1 Canadian 1 Lithuanian Outside of the 1 Australian and 1 Canadian, they were all European or American. |
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