Emirates Road Show May 2008
 

Emirates will be conducting information sessions at various locations in the United States and in Toronto in May 2008 . These sessions will provide more information on Emirates, our selection programme, the benefits of living and working in Dubai and Renumeration package.

16th May
Las Vegas
FLT.ops.com Careers Fair
Tuscany Suites and Casino
Please see fltops.com website for details


17th May
Las Vegas
Hotel TBA
10.00am – 1.30pm

18th May
Los Angeles
Sheraton Gateway Hotel
LAX
10.00am – 1.30pm

19th May
Seattle
Seattle Airport Marriott
10.00am – 1.30pm

20th May
Denver
Marriott Denver Airport
10.00am – 1.30pm

22nd May
Minneapolis
Hilton Minneapolis Airport
10.00am – 1.30pm

23rd May
Chicago
Hilton Chicago O’Hare
10.00am – 1.30pm

24th May
Toronto
Sheraton Gateway Hotel
Toronto Airport
10.00am – 1.30pm

25th May
New York
Newark Liberty International Airport Marriott
10.00am – 1.30pm

26th May
Charlotte
Renaissance Charlotte
10.00am – 1.30pm

28th May
Miami
Biltmore Hotel
10.00am – 1.30pm

29th May
Houston
Marriott Houston Airport
10.00am – 1.30pm

30th May
Atlanta
Renaissance Concourse Hotel
10.00am – 1.30pm

31st May
Atlanta
Air Inc Careers Fair – Renaissance Concourse Hotel
Please see www.jet-jobs.com for details


Check the www.emiratesgroupcareers.com website in a few days for more specifics.


Typhooonpilot

Hello Typhoonpilot -

The EK web site says they are only looking for first officers -

Is EK still actively recruiting DECs ?

thanks -

hoomee

Probably not. I attended the last roadshow in ATL. A number of us in attendance asked about the DEC program. The company representatives pretty much shot it down. They seemed to really go out of their way to try to discourage it. They said that the program was coming to an end. That they would only consider "highly qualified" but to go ahead and apply. Also, if you are age 56 or beyond, forget it. Age discrimination is not illegal in the emirate.

When I told them that I was current, had 12,000 total and plenty of PIC time on the 767 and 737NG they said my airplanes weren't "big enough".

Maybe it was because the company representatives were british and not american, but I really didn't get the warm and fuzzy from them. Like they said, apply anyway and see what happens.

Sorry, maybe Typhoon has more information.

DECs are still trickling in. Did a sim session for a new one today. Not sure when he was interviewed and hired, but they are still showing up. So it seems that the program still exists to a certain extent. Hopefully it does end on the B777 as they are now delaying F.O.s beyond three years for the upgrade.

As it turns here at EK they will be short on the Airbus in the near future. My guess is they will start hiring them on the Airbus within a year, two tops.


Typhoonpilot

TP...

That is what I was told by Michel.... They will start looking for Airbus qualed DEC's since the 380's start coming in later this year and the Airbus side will have a lot of movement as the current senior 330/340 captains start transitioning over.

K

Does one just show up at the road show? For Example, the first stop in LAS on May 16 at Tuscany Suites and Casino. Do pilots have to pay to go to that one because it's a Career Fair? The website your directed to on the Emirates website isn't clear... maybe I'm missing something, it just isn't clear to me. Thanks

Can we read anything into the fact that this series of roadshows has 14 venues, while the last had only 4?

I'd say so...if they had enough quality applicants, I'm sure they'd put on zero roadshows.

I think yes, you can. There was such a good response to the last 4 road shows that they know the USA is fertile ground for recruiting pilots. The airline needs about 200 to 300 pilots per year for as long the delivery stream keeps coming. There aren't enough applicants from anywhere else in the world for two major reasons. Europe has pretty much dried up since there are plentiful jobs there and they pay in Euros or Pounds. Most pilots make good money in Europe and it's generally a pay cut to come to Emirates. The rest of the countries in the world just don't have the number of pilots that Emirates needs. For Americans the pay doesn't decline as the USD falls into the toilet versus other currencies since the Dirham is pegged to the dollar. That means Americans see the pay as pretty reasonable. With U.S. carriers dropping like flies there are a lot of pilots looking for work.

Stability is an important point when chossing an airline to work for. Emirates made over $1 Billion last year. That is with oil increasing past $100/barrel. They will make money this year and next, even with oil inching towards $150/barrel. The U.S. airline industry is going to be a bloodbath this year with mergers, downsizing, and liquidation. Stability, that is one of the many things that Emirates can offer. U.S. pilots are finding this increasingly attractive.



Typhoonpilot

Typhoonpilot, Thank you for your insightful posts. I just had the opportunity to watch a documentary on Dubai... It was very interesting and informative. For those of you interested in Emirates, possibly you can find the CNBC show on Tivo.

Has the hotel been announced for the May 17th, Las Vegas information session? Thanks, Chick

You full time in recruiting now Typhoon Tim? What do you and Brian get for that?

****?
 

You got a bee in your Bonnet there Wayne......?

TP has always been the voice of reason here...
What's your problem?

For the Emirates roadshow in Denver- does anyone know where it will take place? The website says the Hyatt Regency, I called and they said they do not show Emirates Airlines at any Hyatt in Denver. So I called the Denver Airport Marriott, which is what originally was listed on this forum. The Marriott knew nothing of Emirates... :confused:

Anyone happen to know where they will be here in Denver, tomorrow May 20th?

Thanks.

The EK website posted a change....

They were at the downtown Hyatt. There was some misinformation by the DTC Hyatt. The EK website was correct though.
Thanks.

given the state of the industry right now and all the qualified guys on the street, i dont think Emirates will have a hard time filling its shortage... what do you think?

Most Americans are hesitant to move overseas. It's a different culture from a lot of the rest of the world, where working in other countries is pretty routine.

but you dont think people will go there for a few years to wait out the dire situation here in the US?

Maybe but that is where some of the problem comes in. Between training bonds, retirement fund vesting and the expense of moving overseas and setting up house, it's not necessarily that easy to just up and leave, especially if you have resigned from a job in the U.S. and are looking at returning at first year pay. (Emirates does require you to resign from your current employer)

All of these plus the no commuting policy makes it difficult (not impossible) to leave here, especially for pilots with families.

The other big consideration for someone leaving the US for EK is that one would be going from a completely seniority-based long-term system, to somewhat of a short-term system. For most pilots going there, let's say 10 years.

When you're ready to come back, you don't get to come back to a left seat, even though you might have 7 years of widebody captain experience... you'll start out at the bottom of the seniority list... again.

If you want to stay in Dubai long term, or want to go from there to contract flying (say Vietnam Airlines, or others hiring into the left seat), then it's a different story.

I guess what I mean is that if you have the qualifications to make it to EK, you probably have the qualifications for a major in the US (or you are already at a US major). Going over there for the widebody experience and the left seat, will not improve your situation much in the US at all. If you go there, it should be for the long-term career, otherwise not worth it. IMO

I dont believe that you have to resign from your carrier to work at EK (or at least they dont have to know that you havent resigned). There are some u.s. furloughs flying there right now who have recall rights at legacies here.

Yes picking up and moving to Dubai is hard... but when all expenses are paid for, and your housing and school for your kids is paid for, thats a major relief. people seem to think that the UAE is 3rd world. Dubai is nicer than almost all U.S. cities, and the lifestyle there is pretty much westernized. The big thing would be getting used to living outside the U.S. and pretty much being stuck in Dubai since theres not much else to do when youre there...

At any rate, when push comes to shove (I would say that right now this is the case), people will flock to EK. I think many people who are well traveled would agree that Dubai is a better place to live than most Asian cities.

I've lived in the Middle East on and off over the years. Last time was for a year and half and I just got back in 2006. I love being overseas and traveling, but his time around I'd had enough. The traffic in Dubai and the local attitude will take allot of adjustment, and even then they take their toll. If you are single, it is not a bad place to be. If you're family has a pioneer or adventurous attitude, you might survive 3-4 years. Most are ready to pack it up after the one year mark. The housing is great, the restaurants are amazing, but after awhile, it wears people down. You won't know what I'm talking about until you've been there. Personally, I loved it.. but in smaller doses. A year or two at a time. Everyone is different. Go look for yourself.

You have to show them that you resigned from your previous employer.


TP

TP,

I don't think I will be in the first rounds of my carrier's furloughs. I'm trying to make sure that I get a job offer before they carve into 99' seniority. However, assuming I get an offer, and somehow the furloughs went deeper than anticipated, as long as I resign before my furlough notice is effective, would that be sufficient? I'm guessing they won't take accept resignations once the furlough date is effective, can you clarify?

Thanks

Amongst other things you have to send a letter from your current employer confirming your resignation three weeks prior to joining. I understand that this is also required when you're on furlough.

hth,
Sun'n Fun

PS: I think you're doing the right thing: Educate yourself about Dubai and Emirates as well as possible. My wife was on board after we've been to Dubai together; seeing the place is the only way of really getting an accurate impression.

Sunnfun,

My husband is on a trip and since I commandeered his laptop for this Dubai/EK research project, I will have to ask this for him.....If I am understanding you correctly, you can be on furlough, but you have to show proof (via a company letter) that the company has received your resignation? That would make us breathe a little easier because it just doesn't feel like we can predict when things are going to happen but only that they will. When my extended family asks me why we are considering this rather drastic move, I tell them "it is not IF he gets furloughed, but only WHEN."

There is nothing like having gone down this road before to galvanize us into action before the shoe drops. To further cyrstallize things for us, last time, we didn't have two small children we were responsible for and I had a very good paying job to back us up. For us, the kids have changed everything. The problem is, they adore their grand parents and I hate putting that amount of miles between then. Then again, life is all about choices and absolutely no choice comes without a price.

That is correct; at least that's what my paperwork says. If you want to be 100% sure, you'd have to talk to an Emirates Recruiter.

I hope you make the right choice; Good Luck!