Warning: Hainan Airlines & NetCompass
10-17-2008, 09:41 AM
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Warning: Hainan Airlines & NetCompass
I just want to give you guys a warning about Hainan Airlines (China) and Net Compass crew leasing firm. Three of us from the USA interviewed at Hainan over 3 months ago for the B767 Captain position. None of us got the job. They promised to reimburse the cost of the airline tickets, but so far it has not happened. Vivian Chen of Net Compass ([email protected]) told us we would get reimbursed by Hainan Air when we got to Beijing. That didn't happen. Every time we have talked to them since that time the Hainan HR representative Adam Liu ([email protected]) has come up with a new excuse or a new requirement for getting reimbursed. We have meticulously complied with every requirement, but they just keep making excuses and telling us it will be two more weeks, maybe another month. I have a couple friends who started the interview process for the B737 a month prior to us and were hired. They have been working for the company for 6 weeks (or in training or waiting for their work visa) and they also have still not been reimbursed for their flight tickets, and they tell me they are sure they will not be reimbursed until they are all checked out and flying the line. The implication is clear that no one gets reimbursed until actually flying the line (And I am wondering if then?). However, the promise to pay for flight tickets to the interview was definitely NOT contingent up taking the job at Hainan Airlines. We were clearly lied to. The three of us each spent from $1700 to $3,000 that has not been reimbursed as promised.
If you go ot the interview, you should not be expecting reimbursement for flight tickets, no matter what they tell you. And if they will tell you a bold face lie about that, I can't help but wonder what else they will lie about. Is the contract worth the paper it is written on? Time will tell, but I doubt it.
If you go to the interview, you can expect to do the physical, take the Chinese ATP written (they will give you study materials), and a check ride in the simulator with a company check airman and a CAAC inspector from the Chinese government. It is a busy check ride as any type rating check ride would be, just short of about 2 hours in length and multiple failures. It seems each check ride is different and there is no set profile, but they are big on crosswinds (90 degrees at 35 knots) and multiple system failures. The CAAC inspector and the Company Check Airman will speak almost no English, and everything will be done through your interpreter Adam Liu.
They will put you in a company owned "crew hotel" near the Beijing airport (not open to the public). It is about a one star hotel. We spent about 11 days in this place due to the inefficient scheduling of everything. It is not filthy, but not sparkling clean either, extremely simple with no amenities. It is well worn, and some rooms have holes in the plaster and water damage. I found it kind of depressing. The only towel provided is a small faded hand towel. Bring your own bath towel. There is a slow internet connection via Ethernet cord, fast enough for email and painfully slow web browsing but too slow for Skype phone calls. The ONLY person there whom you will be able to communicate with in English will be the HR representative Adam Liu who also stays in the hotel during flight crew screenings. No one else speaks English. We never saw the company headquarters or met any other management people from the company (Headquarters is on Hainan island). Hainan Air will provide your meals in the employee cafeteria, which is very simple Chinese food. The hotel is located in a very poor area where the local restaurants are extremely basic Chinese food and there are a few local shops but not much is available. It is not convenient to public transportation, but you can get a taxi into central Beijing from there for about 10 USD as I recall. Once in the central part of Beijing, it is an attractive and modern city. The only thing I really didn't like about Beijing was the obnoxious air pollution. And be careful; Beijing is known as a city of scams, and you will encounter at least one in your time there. You can read up on the common ones on one of the travel bulletin boards.
If you are going to pursue the job with Hainan, I would not recommend NetCompass Crew Leasing company. We found them to be less than ideal about responding to emails and giving us helpful information. I have been told that Hainan is working with 4 crew leasing companies, and the only other one that I know of for sure is GPS, or Global Pilot Service (GPSCrew Global Pilot Service Official Site). I am not recommending them, but I do know that the other two guys I mentioned earlier (B737) used this company and seemed to get more personal attention than we did. For instance, we needed to get some documents translated into Chinese. NetCompass just told us to go hire a translator, but GPS went ahead and translated the documents for their guys.
I'm now working for another overseas airline (that reimbursed my ticket in cash the day after I arrived) and I'm not unhappy I didn't get the job with Hainan. I just think you guys have a right to know in advance what to expect.
Got2Fly
If you go ot the interview, you should not be expecting reimbursement for flight tickets, no matter what they tell you. And if they will tell you a bold face lie about that, I can't help but wonder what else they will lie about. Is the contract worth the paper it is written on? Time will tell, but I doubt it.
If you go to the interview, you can expect to do the physical, take the Chinese ATP written (they will give you study materials), and a check ride in the simulator with a company check airman and a CAAC inspector from the Chinese government. It is a busy check ride as any type rating check ride would be, just short of about 2 hours in length and multiple failures. It seems each check ride is different and there is no set profile, but they are big on crosswinds (90 degrees at 35 knots) and multiple system failures. The CAAC inspector and the Company Check Airman will speak almost no English, and everything will be done through your interpreter Adam Liu.
They will put you in a company owned "crew hotel" near the Beijing airport (not open to the public). It is about a one star hotel. We spent about 11 days in this place due to the inefficient scheduling of everything. It is not filthy, but not sparkling clean either, extremely simple with no amenities. It is well worn, and some rooms have holes in the plaster and water damage. I found it kind of depressing. The only towel provided is a small faded hand towel. Bring your own bath towel. There is a slow internet connection via Ethernet cord, fast enough for email and painfully slow web browsing but too slow for Skype phone calls. The ONLY person there whom you will be able to communicate with in English will be the HR representative Adam Liu who also stays in the hotel during flight crew screenings. No one else speaks English. We never saw the company headquarters or met any other management people from the company (Headquarters is on Hainan island). Hainan Air will provide your meals in the employee cafeteria, which is very simple Chinese food. The hotel is located in a very poor area where the local restaurants are extremely basic Chinese food and there are a few local shops but not much is available. It is not convenient to public transportation, but you can get a taxi into central Beijing from there for about 10 USD as I recall. Once in the central part of Beijing, it is an attractive and modern city. The only thing I really didn't like about Beijing was the obnoxious air pollution. And be careful; Beijing is known as a city of scams, and you will encounter at least one in your time there. You can read up on the common ones on one of the travel bulletin boards.
If you are going to pursue the job with Hainan, I would not recommend NetCompass Crew Leasing company. We found them to be less than ideal about responding to emails and giving us helpful information. I have been told that Hainan is working with 4 crew leasing companies, and the only other one that I know of for sure is GPS, or Global Pilot Service (GPSCrew Global Pilot Service Official Site). I am not recommending them, but I do know that the other two guys I mentioned earlier (B737) used this company and seemed to get more personal attention than we did. For instance, we needed to get some documents translated into Chinese. NetCompass just told us to go hire a translator, but GPS went ahead and translated the documents for their guys.
I'm now working for another overseas airline (that reimbursed my ticket in cash the day after I arrived) and I'm not unhappy I didn't get the job with Hainan. I just think you guys have a right to know in advance what to expect.
Got2Fly
10-17-2008, 06:18 PM
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Thank you for that in depth information. It is good to know who is lying and cheating out there, and your post will save others from making the same mistake. I personally posted a warning about Next Generation Aviation Crew Leasing Co. in that they did not reimburse my air travel as promised, either. I have come to the conclusion that they are all lying and have no intention of keeping any of their empty promises.
10-17-2008, 06:27 PM
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Thank you for the information and I'm sorry you are out the cost of your tickets.
Word for the wise: Think twice before trusting the Chicoms. Think melamine milk scandal, melamine dog food scandal, lead paint in children's toys, etc.
-LLoyd
Word for the wise: Think twice before trusting the Chicoms. Think melamine milk scandal, melamine dog food scandal, lead paint in children's toys, etc.
-LLoyd
10-30-2008, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by got2fly
It has been another 13 days since I posted this and still no reimbursement for any of us. But they have come up with more excuses! They need more time!
Amazing.
Got2fly
Amazing.
Got2fly
Going to start getting tight for work over there especially now that the Asian economy is starting to contract.
10-31-2008, 06:14 AM
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I have posted warnings to CLIMBTO350 without any responses. I don't think they are big on qualifying their advertisers.
As a prospective employee of some of these sheyster companies, one must be an educated consumer too. If it looks to good to be true... it usually is.
As a prospective employee of some of these sheyster companies, one must be an educated consumer too. If it looks to good to be true... it usually is.
12-02-2008, 07:16 PM
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Is it a Net Compass isssue with Hainan or an issues with Hainan directly? I am working on applying for the EMB145 spots through WasInc and Hainan seems to be giving us all the run around as well, though, very few have been able to go for their testing.
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