SheikhItBaby

Exactly. Forget this place and move on. All that glitters is NOT gold. They change our contract and T's/C's with a change in wind direction and there ain't nothing we can do about it.

EK USED to be the premiere job in the ME. They are rocketing to the bottom...of any carrier anywhere.

fatbus

please name the carriers in the Mid East that are better than EK ? remember that FD just started B scale, QR dont think so, EY - have you talked to anyone from there ? I have , not pretty. EK might be the best of the worst, you dont know if AAR is going to fire you or not every day

EK is a contract job always has been always will be, if you keep that in mind it might help with making up your mind to come or not. That in mind a backup plan may be wise.

Been here 8 years flying has been good cant wait for the chance to get out. You need to be here to believe it, Dubai is not going out of business anytime soon.
But upgrade s , dont even make that a part of your plan , its going to be 8-10 years

Fearless Leader

Who is FD?

Rook

Prob'ly FlyDubai

captjns

FlyDubai??? BOTTOM FEEDERS AND LIARS

fatbus

what did they lie about, curious thats all

captjns

My experience with Flydubai goes back to last summer to when I interviewed with them last October. The experience started out very nice. Good communications up to the interview. Business Class Travel to and from DBX. Decent hotel with breakfast included. Transfers to and from the hotel, interview facility, and medical facility. During the few days there I met pilots from AirTran, Delta, UAL and Aloha. I do know, from e-mails, that a number of potential initial cadre crews did not accept the job offer because of inconsistencies relating to information in the T & C's outlined in their original offering, presentations by HR and executives during the actual interview, and formal contract that would have been executed. Not a good way to enter into a long term relationship.


The terms and conditions were e-mailed prior attending a short list interview for initial cadre check airmen and captains were quite generous for a start up.

There was no reference to a $25,000 training bond in their original offering. They informed us about the bond during their presentation. I told them that as a current and qualified NG check pilot that particular provision was a show stopper for me. The other lads balked at this too.

The e-mail stated that flight pay was guaranteed on an 80 hour month guaranty. In the interview they stated that this is what we could earn if we flew 80 hours a month and the exclusion of the term "IF YOU FLY 80 HOURS" was omitted by error.

Medical benefits outlined in the e-mail were far more generous than actual as presented at the meeting.

It was decided that no retirement benefits would be offered at the current.

Let me put it to you this way... I would not have wasted my time had they been honest with their T & C's.

Flydubai halted interviews shortly after I interviewed with them. Some former colleagues I flew with at my current company went to Flydubai, and feel at this time they are more forthright about their T&Cs and may have compromised on some issues since the time of my interview last October.
I would like to know how life is at Flydubai as to whether or not they are living up to their current commitments for their work force.

In any event I do wish those and their families who made the jump to Flydubai good luck and realize there are opportunities for expats elsewhere if the program does not pan out.

flyboy8272

Fly Dubai would be a bad deal here, let alone moving your family overseas for it! Ken Gile is part of the management team there... enough said. He's the guy who left southwest to help start Skybus - and lied through his teeth there, too. Nothing but one-way relationships, broken promises, and poor management desicions. (Maybe that's why he went half way around the world to stay in the aviation business!!)

As for the Emirates, i don't know how they can ask interviewees to pay thousands for a ticket when they could just stick them in an empty seat. (PLEASE don't give me the 'because they can' or 'because there are too many pilots willing to do it' lines; are we heading back to the pay for your own training days??!! I'm strictly talking ethics and the fact it doesn't cost them hardly anything if there are empty seats!!) I think i'd also request/require a free ticket for my wife too since she would understandably need to see things for herself to help make that large decision! That's a very large "red flag" for the airline, hopefully not for the whole industry.

SheikhItBaby

Actually, that was the case for many years. When I went to interview, I had to buy my own ticket. It was only in the past couple of years that they started buying tickets.

atpcliff

Hi!

Dubai is a "cesspool"? I think that means it is completely terrible, like being in a prisoner-of-war camp.

I know 2 guys there, and they both say it is very nice. I was in a simulated prisoner-of-war camp, and it was not very nice.

I really don't understand how ANYONE could think Dubai was a cesspool, unless they were living on some planet I have never heard of.

I do understand how someone could prefer to live somewhere else than Dubai, but a cesspool? Maybe they confused Dubai with some not very nice third-world city, like Kinshasa, or something like that...Ulan Bator???

cliff
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